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Additional links on similar subjects or background...

Here is a link to "systems thinking".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_thinking

And some pros/cons - similar fringe thinking/convictions...
Ammo for critiques of some what I am touting, if you can spin it right...
:p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno-progressivism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno-utopianism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technophilia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futures_studies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_technology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structuration_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_foresight

I am a supporter of transhumanism, through stem-cell research etc, but I'm not particularly in favour of genetically modified foodstuffs, however I think that "telomere" has great potential. I don't think I hold any extremist views though, as I adhere to reason first and foremost. I do think a mixed economy is the correct reflection of modern society and the necessary future, but do not think economic intervention is the right thing - I am a supporter of Laissez-faire.


I worked professionally some years building and supervised training of mathematical models for e.g energy spot-market prices and various prediction models from timeseries input using (multilayer) feedforward neural network, genetic algorithms etc. I also did some for my currency futures trading to model tape-reading signals and orderbook changes which I described here on ET some years back. I'm a programmer and systems analyst at heart; nowadays my interest mainly lie within modelling knowledge and being able to structure knowledge information effectively.
 
Interesting stuff Gringinho
I will have a look through some of it soon - but there is never enough time.
 
Some even more interesting links...
It is really a wide explosion of related issues and ongoing research work.

http://www.socialcapitalgateway.org/


Some interesting conferences and workshops are
- Workshop of Deception, Fraud and Trust in Agent Societies.
- Workshop Trust in Agent Societies.


There is also the annual conference on Financial Cryptography - which happens on Anguilla - the Caribbean paradise without taxes. Financial trust is strongly interwoven with social trust. It is also interesting considering the economic metrics on both financial systems and social systems - as on all systems science. Interesting concepts throughout the years have been e-cash, alternative currencies - like the US defence forces Eagle Cash card and recently the "microcredit" or "microfinance" systems that have been emerging in developing countries - and are not within the reach of the clasps of the IMF or World Bank.
http://www.ifca.ai/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfinance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcredit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Cash



Political voting is probably the most important trust we ever are involved in - at least on a large scale, for the bigger picture and longer term. It really should not be taken lightly or ignored - just because we get worn down by all the emotional distractions that are pumped into the election process. This type of generated distraction works very well to hinder any progress on solving any issue.

There is little or no accountability for outright lies and misrepresentations in politics. Politicians lie without any hesitation, and without any repercussions. It is all viewed as "political rhetoric" - gamesmanship. Well, with better trust models aided with technology to disclose organized deception, lies, quality, credibility, facts - we can start ridding ourselves with the old ways of conflict-sparking ways of dealing with society. If statements and governing interactions are held up to accountability - with actual consequences for misbehaving and bad intentions -- or even better, designing systems so that there is little or no room for breaking trust -- then we can truly progress and become much more productive as well as free. Freedom comes in many variations - e.g to not be bogged down in useless squabbles by those sabotaging your work - intellectual, physical or economic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_trust
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credibility
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity

Seeing is believing - so it is not enough with just the research effort - but we need actual working examples so that the benefits are apparent and improved trust-models can be adopted - as well as evolved and improved. It will save all of us a ton of time and resources that are nowadays wasted or deferred on detrimental processes of society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_science

It is all very much about improving our trust models for society.
 
Remember

"Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything."
- Joseph Stalin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Democracy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4463776866669054201 (82 minutes)

HACKING DEMOCRACY takes a nonpartisan, clear-eyed look at the secrecy, cronyism, and incompetence of elections in present-day America as it captures a citizen's movement intent on taking back elections--and democracy itself. “It is hard to imagine...a documentary this season that is more important to the civic life of the nation--let alone one that is so compelling and ultimately moving”.
(Baltimore Sun).




A 2 minute trailer of the documentary ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8O43LxV_Xw

Do you really trust such a system?
Fix the system...
 
Quote from Gringinho:

There is also the annual conference on Financial Cryptography - which happens on Anguilla - the Caribbean paradise without taxes. Financial trust is strongly interwoven with social trust. It is also interesting considering the economic metrics on both financial systems and social systems - as on all systems science. Interesting concepts throughout the years have been e-cash, alternative currencies - like the US defence forces Eagle Cash card and recently the "microcredit" or "microfinance" systems that have been emerging in developing countries - and are not within the reach of the clasps of the IMF or World Bank.
http://www.ifca.ai/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfinance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcredit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Cash
More...

e-cash you mean digital currencies, they will get nowhere, governments eventually accuse their system of being used for money laundering and terrorist funding, and shut them down

Microcredit like http://www.kiva.org/
haha I'd rather flush my money down the toilet

this world is maintained very inefficiently, and there is a reason for that, that the majority of humans are stupid, actually very very stupid, they do not deserve a better system, they do not deserve an easier life, and if you give it to them, and if you create it for them they will not be able to live in it, they want to suffer and struggle, they want to work hard like a jackass, because that is what they are, otherwise they would have already been living in a more efficient system
 
thesharpone,

well, the US government are using Eagle cash themselves.
There are also many other interesting effects to using various types of digital currencies, e-gold is one of them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-gold

Of course there are huge controversies about removing government control over currency.
:D



Microfinance can be seen in many types of limited systems; there is undeniable a huge benefit for a large part of the world population - increasing growth and opportunity many places. The main concern is the possibility of predatory interests etc - but if there was an open exchange for refinancing elsewhere - loaners could "shop around" easily.



People are not all that stupid, and some things were not possible up to recently. People didn't have all the DNA knowledge before, because they hadn't fully explored it and lacked the tools, theories, funding etc. The same is true for many of the computer science subjects. Technology and evolution of digital systems are creating a lot of spin-off into any area.



If people are given the opportunity to choose a system they can trust, and it is proven to them - they will choose this. Society is very inefficient today, and technology is making it better. We can see this within every science - military to environmental and finance.

:)
 
@Gringinho

you are clearly too fucking optimistic

regarding e-gold (found on the same link you posted);
"In April 2007, the US government ordered e-gold administration to lock/block approximately 58 e-gold accounts, owned and used by The Bullion Exchange, AnyGoldNow, IceGold, GitGold, The Denver Gold Exchange, GoldPouch Express, 1MDC (a Digital Gold Currency, based on e-gold), and others, and forced G&SR (owner of OmniPay) to liquidate the seized assets [17]. In addition, a few weeks later, e-gold themselves were indicted with 4 indictments"

yes, governments lock/block anything they don't like by accusing them of something, that is what they are there for

"well, the US government are using Eagle cash themselves."

that's why it most likely sucks and losers like soldiers are using them

"Of course there are huge controversies about removing government control over currency."

ya, it's never gonna happen, not on this fucking planet, they'll rape your great great grandfather's dead body before they will ever let you even think of trying

"there is undeniable a huge benefit for a large part of the world population"

poor people suck, just the fact that they are willing to live the life they are living proves they don't deserve shit

"People are not all that stupid, and some things were not possible up to recently."

BS, the majority of humans are fucking stupid, technology was not created by people nor by normal humans it was what the few offered these low life motherfuckers (for almost nothing in return)

"If people are given the opportunity to choose a system they can trust, and it is proven to them - they will choose this. "

people can't understand shit, it will take them billions of years just to realize what system is trustable and what is not, and in the end they will choose the wrong one

all in all, this is my point; majority of humans are fucking scumbags that don't even deserve to be fucked in the eyeball and then pissed in their empty eye-socket, so there is no point in trying to defend them or their interests or trying to build a system where their desires are easily fulfilled, these are the same dogs that were born from ancestors that raped and killed for nothing but a few bags of rice, that did not understand, did not want to understand and could not understand

i can go on and on but hopefully you got the point
 
thesharpone,

Richard Nixon once said of Latin America: “People don’t give a shit about the place.”

Well, you are wrong. "People" is not only the country where you live, and that is the most ignorant assumption that some make.

Then it's the systemic tug-of-war that can be observed, where people actually do change and evolve despite the struggle with conservative forces. It is akin to learning through adopting to the environment. It might not be the most effective, painless or best way of doing it - but it happens. Sure there are setbacks - especially from conflicts.


I live in Brazil now, and I see how "people are stupid", like you point out. They knowingly elect corrupt politicians or sometimes don't understand anything. Then there is the fact that they have little choice and knowledge - corruption is rampant here and prevails so many aspects of society - it essentially is accepted.

Most of the time, people in poor countries don't have the luxury to think about wider and deeper consequences, because they are busy trying to make a living. The systemic problems in the poor countries also works against them, so that every thing is slower, more bureaucratic, costly and ineffective.

But there is money in technology and making processes more efficient. Therefore we see a transfer from more developed countries to the poor countries - basically business opportunities. It makes financial sense to operate smarter and more efficiently.

I don't have to be optimistic about the "intelligence" or "basic goodness" of people. I see the systemic advantages and evolution - and when there are deficiencies - these are exploited sooner or later. That is why technology is taking over some of the manual processes - including many governing functions. It is simple evolution after all.

Just like it made sense to invest in railways and not canals for transportation in the UK - there is a shift that makes sense economically and socially. And it basically can't be stopped...

If you think we could not evolve or progress - then you would think we all were living in caves still. The social conflicts are all just the same and similar to other social creatures - but the setting evolves. Conservative forces try to protect and retain dominance within an environment - but their enforcing of this is also what spurs progress in waves when they are broken down. It is how nature works.
 
A big problem is that most people are not well informed. Some people prefer to stay ignorant, while others are not thoroughly aware of their role or how it affects their daily lives and future.

A fair assessment would be that most here are not at all informed about recent events before the new information technology became commonplace. E.g US interventionism in Latin America, the US School of Americas teaching torture, terror and interrogation techniques and manipulation through fear.

They either have not the time or the resources to keep themselves well informed. It is left to the primetime media to deliver a package of information that will be serving the general need of the population, and during the election period some propaganda, misinformation, misrepresentation and blatant lies are used as tactic to gain support and votes.

As we know the recent information technology has given us efficient tools for being able to deliberate and inform ourselves independently of primetime news digests.

Stanford's Center for Deliberative Democracy has some interesting research results of how population interaction through deliberation can improve information and help reach important public decisions.

http://cdd.stanford.edu/polls/docs/summary/

http://cdd.stanford.edu/
 
It is interesting from a systemic view how conservative forces try to destroy new information, and protect itself from change, progress and evolution.

Conservatism is philosophically diametrically opposite to adaptation.

That is why we see so much negative forces being deployed by structures with a conservative nature - they fight fiercely and mainly applies external effects to shape its surroundings while being auto-catalytic for perpetual conflict and ultimately apocalyptic in its unsustainable nature.

The opposite is the adaptive forces which are liberal nature in that they accept their surroundings, while inward looking and open to change, progress and evolution for a fairly balanced and sustainable future.



The net result is that conservative forces seek to secure and protect only themselves,
while adaptive liberal forces seek to secure and protect the sustainability of the whole environment.

In a democracy the conservative forces thrive on creating distractions, chaos, strong emotions and negativity;
while liberal forces try to focus, stay clear headed and get a message of reason through the noise.

The nature and preservation of a democracy is based on trustworthy information. This is opposite of the strategy for conservative interests. By promoting chaos, suspicion, indecision, conflict - the very nature and structure of conservatism projects its negative influence on progress and evolution. Through illusionary effects they tout authoritarian alternatives to "bring order to the chaos" that the strong polarization creates by their destabilization strategy. In humans, the conservatives influence emotions exploiting the human weakness in the process of decision-making and halting any intelligent effective progress.



By improving trust-models for information,
we strengthen the structures of wisdom, knowledge, personal freedom, effective society, evolution and adaptation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_security



My interests have for many years laid in structuring knowledge, epistemology, phenomenology, cryptography, steganography, linguistics, protocols, systems theory, artificial intelligence etc. It is in line with my philosophy and goals of contributing to positive change while cancelling negative forces on evolution.

Topic maps is a simple start for digitally structuring knowledge.
It is no where sufficiently flexible or powerful to do this job - but it is one step along progress.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic_Maps

I hope anyone reading this thread and maybe other contributions, realize how the negative conservative forces which exploit systemic deficiencies are truly detrimental to human evolution and progress. That is why efforts for improving the trust-models of society through technology are effective and important.

It should also be clear how conservative forces are authoritarian, ultimately apocalyptic and self-destructive on both themselves and their immediate surroundings. Sustainable fairly balanced systems is what will always prevail and bring us farther.
 
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