New Computer, Vista, 64 bit, video cards

Quote from montysky:

"... Not only PCIe cards run fine in PCIe 2.0 slots, from what I've read (never tried it myself), x16 cards will run in x1 slots too. Of course, the x1 slot has to have an open end for the x16 card to fit in.
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?? Never saw nor heard of "open ended x1 slot". Doesn't seem to make sense, either, as part of the x16 pathway would have no connection. (Whereas when inserting a lesser card into a larger slot, all of the card's connections have a slot connection.... and some slot connections which would not be currently used.)
 
Quote from davez:

Dell does not have the ability to skip the ATI card - I'd be happy with no card from Dell. I've begged for them to put in one of the many dual DVI nVidia cards they supply in similar computers but nope, their system does not allow it. Maybe if I commit to buy on that condition some mgr can over-rule 'the system'.
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If you get a T3400, it will come with an NVS 290 as the "base" choice... and it will work with your 285s.

When buying for > 2 monitors, the thought process should be...

1. How many monitors?
2. VGA or DVI?
3. What display resolution?
4. What video cards will run the above (and are compatible with each other, if applicable)?
5. What mobo will run those cards?
6. What computer has appropriate mobo?
 
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Thanks for the reply.
Vista and 6 monitors might be more of a problem (than with XP) because of potential hardware conflicts between Vista and multiple video cards? I've never used ATI cards but after a quick look it seemed multi-monitor was not a focus for them.

I 'built' a quick T3400 on Dell's site and it was looking a few hundred $ more with less apparent computing power. But if its dependable, that's worth something. I have to look at that again more closely.
Thanks again
davez
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Personally, I had issues with ATI cards. I've always built my own computers.

Currently I'm running with a motherboard that has built in video ( 2 ports) and I have a second NVIDIA card for another 2 monitors. Works like a dream for me.

S
 
Quote from SpreadSeller:

Personally, I had issues with ATI cards. I've always built my own computers.

Currently I'm running with a motherboard that has built in video ( 2 ports) and I have a second NVIDIA card for another 2 monitors. Works like a dream for me.

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What mobo has onboard video with 2 ports?
 
Quote from Scataphagos:

The T3400 was "a few hundred more"... than what?

Check Dell's Outlet for a T3400. Same warranty as new.

Want a powerful rig for cheap? Get the cheapest T3400, then upgrade the CPU yourself... from Newegg or other source.
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: ... a few hundred more than what?" A good question. I built the T3400, and after a cut and paste job to add it with the others, attached is the comparison of the four Dell computers I'm considering, from cheapest to most expensive:

1. Studio XPS: (3rd column)
Pros: Cheapest, tied for most computing power (CPU and memory), not monsterous physical size.
Cons: smallest power supply, no PCI slot, ATI card

2. Studio XPS 435 (1st column and my current first choice)
Pros: 475 Watts (should be ok), tied for most computing power, lots of exp'n slots, essentially same cost as first one
Cons: Huge size, ATI card, access to ports on top of case could be restricted in my desk setup

3. XPS 630 (2nd column)
Pros: largest power supply, 2 PCIe-x16 slots, nVidia card
Cons: Huge size, big step up in cost from first two but with less computing power

4. T3400 (4th column)
Pros: 2 PCIe-x19 slots , nVidia card, smaller physical size, faster hard drive I think? Vista Business? XP downgrade, 3 yrs service
Cons: most expensive, lowest computing power, smaller power supply

Maybe? Vista (vs XP) is a con, but with Win7 imminent I'm considering it a pro.

My biggest uncertainty has been if Vista and/or 64 bit would mean I'd need all new high tech (high cost) graphics cards, but the great replies so far suggest not.

Once I know for sure what I want, I'll check the Dell outlet.
Re replacing CPU's, I've watched it done but it is beyond my computer skills.

Anyone see any reason the XPS 435 is not the best choice?
Thanks
davez
 

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Quote from davez:

: ... a few hundred more than what?" A good question. I built the T3400, and after a cut and paste job to add it with the others, attached is the comparison of the four Dell computers I'm considering, from cheapest to most expensive:

1. Studio XPS: (3rd column)
Pros: Cheapest, tied for most computing power (CPU and memory), not monsterous physical size.
Cons: smallest power supply, no PCI slot, ATI card

2. Studio XPS 435 (1st column and my current first choice)
Pros: 475 Watts (should be ok), tied for most computing power, lots of exp'n slots, essentially same cost as first one
Cons: Huge size, ATI card, access to ports on top of case could be restricted in my desk setup

3. XPS 630 (2nd column)
Pros: largest power supply, 2 PCIe-x16 slots, nVidia card
Cons: Huge size, big step up in cost from first two but with less computing power

4. T3400 (4th column)
Pros: 2 PCIe-x19 slots , nVidia card, smaller physical size, faster hard drive I think? Vista Business? XP downgrade, 3 yrs service
Cons: most expensive, lowest computing power, smaller power supply

Maybe? Vista (vs XP) is a con, but with Win7 imminent I'm considering it a pro.

My biggest uncertainty has been if Vista and/or 64 bit would mean I'd need all new high tech (high cost) graphics cards, but the great replies so far suggest not.

Once I know for sure what I want, I'll check the Dell outlet.
Re replacing CPU's, I've watched it done but it is beyond my computer skills.

Anyone see any reason the XPS 435 is not the best choice?
Thanks
davez
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Out of those, I would probably go with the 435 as well. I have no experience with Vista (nor do I want any). ATI HD - I have no idea about this one. Before I started trading a few years back, I used ATI and it was fine for what I needed. My needs are just different now.

NewEgg is my site of choice and where I always go.
 
Quote from davez:

: ... a few hundred more than what?" A good question. I built the T3400, and after a cut and paste job to add it with the others, attached is the comparison of the four Dell computers I'm considering, from cheapest to most expensive:

1. Studio XPS: (3rd column)
Pros: Cheapest, tied for most computing power (CPU and memory), not monsterous physical size.
Cons: smallest power supply, no PCI slot, ATI card

2. Studio XPS 435 (1st column and my current first choice)
Pros: 475 Watts (should be ok), tied for most computing power, lots of exp'n slots, essentially same cost as first one
Cons: Huge size, ATI card, access to ports on top of case could be restricted in my desk setup

3. XPS 630 (2nd column)
Pros: largest power supply, 2 PCIe-x16 slots, nVidia card
Cons: Huge size, big step up in cost from first two but with less computing power

4. T3400 (4th column)
Pros: 2 PCIe-x19 slots , nVidia card, smaller physical size, faster hard drive I think? Vista Business? XP downgrade, 3 yrs service
Cons: most expensive, lowest computing power, smaller power supply

Maybe? Vista (vs XP) is a con, but with Win7 imminent I'm considering it a pro.

My biggest uncertainty has been if Vista and/or 64 bit would mean I'd need all new high tech (high cost) graphics cards, but the great replies so far suggest not.

Once I know for sure what I want, I'll check the Dell outlet.
Re replacing CPU's, I've watched it done but it is beyond my computer skills.

Anyone see any reason the XPS 435 is not the best choice?
Thanks
davez
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Here's what I would do...

1. Purchase the cheapest T3400 from Dell outlet... currently $469.

2. Buy a Q9550 from some place like Newegg.. currently $219.

3. Have Best Buy or other install for you... $50?

4. Sell on eBay your e7300 you took out of the computer... $50?.

Now you've got a fast Quad core and in it only $718.

Suggest you NOT buy upgrades from Dell. They are almost always well overpriced.

As for OS... looks like you get Vista, XP, AND free W7 upgrade for purchase made at this time.
 
Quote from Scataphagos:

Here's what I would do...

1. Purchase the cheapest T3400 from Dell outlet... currently $469.

2. Buy a Q9550 from some place like Newegg.. currently $219.

3. Have Best Buy or other install for you... $50?

4. Sell on eBay your e7300 you took out of the computer... $50?.

Now you've got a fast Quad core and in it only $718.

Suggest you NOT buy upgrades from Dell. They are almost always well overpriced.
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that's too much freaking around

just start from scratch.. build your own.

http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=3563
 
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