New CDC Journal - The real deal on Masks... plus some vague PC stuff

[jem]

read the fucking study asshole.... here it is from the CDC website...

"71% of case-patients and 74% of control-participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm?s_cid=mm6936a5_w



Reported use of cloth face covering or mask 14 days before illness onset (missing = 2)
Never 6 (3.9)
Rarely 6 (3.9)
Sometimes 11 (7.2)
Often 22 (14.4)
Always 108 (70.6)

Once again this is not the CDC study that is cited in the claims that 85% or 70% of the people wearing masks got COVID.

Why don't you go try to find the correct study related to your debunked assertions.

 

[gwb-trading]

read the fucking study asshole.... here it is from the CDC website...

"71% of case-patients and 74% of control-participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm?s_cid=mm6936a5_w



Reported use of cloth face covering or mask 14 days before illness onset (missing = 2)
Never 6 (3.9)
Rarely 6 (3.9)
Sometimes 11 (7.2)
Often 22 (14.4)
Always 108 (70.6)

Keeping in mind the purpose of you wearing a mask in a community is to STOP YOU FROM TRANSMITTING the disease rather than to stop you from catching COVID -- your out-of-context assertions in this study mean very little.

The idea that "hey look they still wore a mask and caught COVID so masks don't work" -- is the very pinnacle of stupidity.

 

[jem]

everyone has heard that crap about the mask protecting you from others...

its a bit too late to bring that argument up now after you were lying about the study the whole time.

It was never just about eating in restaurants....
but...

don't worry I did not expect an apology from you.
You have no personal integrity.

Keeping in mind the purpose of you wearing a mask in a community is to STOP YOU FROM TRANSMITTING the disease rather than to stop you from catching COVID -- your out-of-context assertions in this study mean very little.

The idea that "hey look they still wore a mask and caught COVID so masks don't work" -- is the very pinnacle of stupidity.

 

[userque]

Let's just look at the obvious:

No one is always wearing a mask.

Even while wearing a mask, you can still catch covid through hand to face contact, at least.

When you take your mask off at home, you may be exposed to an infected family member; even though you always wear your mask. You also remove it to eat when not at home.

Masks impede the travel of spittle.
Non-N95 masks aren't 100%
N95 masks aren't 100%

As ... uhm ... "elite traders," you should know life is about probabilities and risk vs reward; not exactly knowing everything about everything.

Masks help.
Distance helps.
Washing hands helps.
Avoiding touching stuff helps.
Avoiding touching face helps.

Can you still catch it, yes.

So should you not do any of the above, because you can still catch it, no.

Why not?

Because you increase your odds of not catching it.

The above is "common" sense. No studies needed.

Additionally, all of the above precautions help to prevent lock-downs as well. Maybe folks that don't care about spreading covid, care about lock-downs.

 

[userque]

 

[jem]

The only study we have of medical workers found cloth mask usage showed no efficacy and dirty masks harm..

common sense therefore tells me masks are likely to do far more harm when they are dirty than a clean mask will help unless your are spending time with the sick.

 

[gwb-trading]

The only study we have of medical workers found cloth mask usage showed no efficacy and dirty masks harm..

common sense therefore tells me masks are likely to do far more harm when they are dirty than a clean mask will help unless your are spending time with the sick.

 

[userque]

The only study we have of medical workers found cloth mask usage showed no efficacy and dirty masks harm..

common sense therefore tells me masks are likely to do far more harm when they are dirty than a clean mask will help unless your are spending time with the sick.

I'm not sure what they mean by "cloth." I had surgical masks in mind. But woven masks are better than those knit masks/turtle-neck things ... which sounds like what you're referring to.

But try this study: spray a mist of water onto one side of the mask. See if it goes through to the other side. Then, try to blow out a candle/match through the mask. EDIT: as though someone was blowing/coughing on your mask from a small distance away ... not with your lips glued to the fabric ... felt I needed to clarify this.

Again, if it can help, great.

Medical workers shouldn't be wearing cloth masks, as they are greatly exposed to the virus.

Finally, don't wear dirty masks. I disinfect them, and replace them.
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I see more lock downs on the horizon, but ...

 

[jem]

i can do your little exercise one better with real life.

go the gym with a surgical mask on... go the bench press... set up your weight on the bar.
But before you lift.. do 15 leg lifts sitting on the edge of the bench. Then lift to failure in the 6 to 10 range. You will notice you are breathing ...
If you are wearing glasses you will realize air is fogging up your glasses and streaming out all around the mask. The people who have tested surgical masks have said their biggest weakness is they don't fit well.

1. So if there is aerosol spread... surgical masks are not going to protect you because you are just going to suck the air in the sides of the mask.
2. If Covid only spreads though droplets... dirty masks get touched and then spread all over...

I am concerned there will be more lockdowns on the horizon... as well.
Especially if the democrats win and promise the states covid bailout money.

I see too many people not being aware of the statistics.
I am very concerned about the harm all this fear is doing to our children.

 

[userque]

i can do your little exercise one better with real life.

go the gym with a surgical mask on... go the bench press... set up your weight on the bar.
But before you lift.. do 15 leg lifts sitting on the edge of the bench. Then lift to failure in the 6 to 10 range. You will notice you are breathing ...
If you are wearing glasses you will realize air is fogging up your glasses and streaming out all around the mask. The people who have tested surgical masks have said their biggest weakness is they don't fit well.

1. So if there is aerosol spread... surgical masks are not going to protect you because you are just going to suck the air in the sides of the mask.

Probabilities ... remember? I'm aware that masks aren't air tight. But spittle is much heavier than air.

Even with these loose fitting masks, some air goes through the mask, rather than all air going around the fabric, and into the less resistant cracks. Spittle is less able to make that maneuver around the mask than air is ... and like I said, some air still goes through the mask.

Now if someone shoots spittle at you from 3 and 9 o'clock ... ok, they got you.

Probabilities. You're still better off with it, than without it. I'm not going to cite studies, I'm sure they're all over this forum. I'm just trying to get you and others to see the simple logic.

2. If Covid only spreads though droplets... dirty masks get touched and then spread all over...

I am concerned there will be more lockdowns on the horizon... as well.
Especially if the democrats win and promise the states covid bailout money.

I see too many people not being aware of the statistics.
I am very concerned about the harm all this fear is doing to our children.

Covid is spread from dropplets, to either inhalation by another, direct mucus contact on another, or to surface-to-hand-to-mucus contact.

So to your point about dirty masks. Yeah, for as long as humans have had to enter hostile environments, there has been PPE. And for as long as there has been PPE, there are procedures to properly don and doff the PPE.

Don't touch your mask willy-nilly. If you do, wash your hands and faucet handles etc.

Remove and properly sterilize and containerize (or dispose of) your mask. Wash your hands and faucet handles and the outside of the container (if using a container).

Common sense stuff really.