New CDC Journal - The real deal on Masks... plus some vague PC stuff

Let me post this again you complete moron... GWB


"Of the 154 survey participants who tested positive, 70.6% said they "always" wore a mask or face covering and 14.4% said they "often" did so. Those numbers form the basis of Carlson’s claim that 85% of people "who got the coronavirus in July (were) wearing a mask."




Let's post the fact check again -- this time be sure you read it completely. It's time for you to stop spouting fabricated bullshiat.

Fact check: Does CDC study show '85 percent' of COVID-19 patients wore masks?

https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/fa...-19-patients-wore-masks-not-exactly/19340391/

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Fox News host Tucker Carlson misrepresented the findings of a recent Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report, amplifying misinformation from social media as he claimed on his TV show that the study showed masks don’t work like experts say.

Running through a series of data points listed in the CDC’s report, Carlson said during his Oct. 13 show: "Almost everyone — 85% — who got the coronavirus in July was wearing a mask, and they were infected anyway. So clearly this doesn't work the way they tell us it works."

The Fox News host’s take ran counter to comments he made in April touting the effectiveness of masks. It also contradicted the guidance of public health officials, who say mask wearing on a broad scale can slow the spread of the coronavirus.

Carlson’s misleading claim about the CDC study appeared to make its way to North Carolina.

Dan Forest, North Carolina's Republican candidate for governor, cited the study during his debate with incumbent Gov. Roy Cooper on Wednesday.

“The CDC just this week released their study about mask wearing on COVID-positive cases: 85% of the positive cases in America are from people who say they wore the mask everyday, all the time, or at least almost all the time. 85% of the positive cases,” Forest said.

President Donald Trump, a frequent Fox News watcher and guest, then mentioned it during his rally in Greenville on Thursday.

"Did you see, the CDC, that 85% of the people wearing the masks catch it, OK?" Trump said.

The data in the CDC report, however, cannot be generalized to say "almost everyone" who wore a mask in July got the coronavirus. It’s from a very small sample the authors said may not be representative of the United States, and mask use was self-reported. The report does not say masks don’t work to slow the spread of COVID-19.

The CDC study wasn’t measuring mask effectiveness
The CDC paper summarizes findings from a survey of 314 people. The total included a group of 154 symptomatic people who tested positive for the coronavirus in July and a control group of 160 symptomatic people who tested negative for the coronavirus in July.

Based on the results of the survey, the CDC report said two activities were linked to a positive coronavirus test: close contact with someone who also tested positive, and going to locations with on-site eating and drinking options, such as bars and restaurants.

Of the 160 survey participants who tested negative, 74.2% said they "always" wore a mask or face covering and 14.5% said they "often" did so.

Of the 154 survey participants who tested positive, 70.6% said they "always" wore a mask or face covering and 14.4% said they "often" did so. Those numbers form the basis of Carlson’s claim that 85% of people "who got the coronavirus in July (were) wearing a mask."

A Fox News spokesperson pointed to those figures and a segment from Carlson’s show the following night. In the segment, Carlson addressed a statement he said the CDC made to Fox News. Carlson said the agency called his commentary on the September study "misleading."

"CDC guidance on masks has clearly stated that wearing a mask is intended to protect other people in case the mask wearer is infected," the CDC said in the statement. "At no time has CDC guidance suggested that masks were intended to protect the wearers."

Carlson told viewers the CDC didn’t address his original claim. "The spokesman didn’t dispute that we had showed accurate data from the CDC, including that 85% of people who tested positive for coronavirus in July reported wearing a mask always or often," Carlson said.

But the CDC study wasn’t measuring the impact of masks. "Participants were asked about mask use as an individual behavior," CDC spokesperson Jason McDonald told PolitiFact. "However, the aim of the study was to assess possible situations for community exposure, not mask use."


Carlson misrepresented the CDC paper’s findings
It’s misleading to leap to conclusions about the effectiveness of masks from the CDC report, since most participants reported wearing them and the study was not controlling for mask use.

"You can’t just look at a table and draw conclusions without understanding the details of the study," said Cindy Prins, an epidemiologist with the University of Florida.

"It is difficult to detect the effect of an exposure or intervention when it is widely deployed or used," McDonald added. He said both groups of participants had high levels of mask use, and that the rates of people who always wore a mask in each group were not "statistically different."

The study did find a significant difference between the groups: whether participants went out for food or drink. The study authors wrote that those with positive test results were "approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant" than those who tested negative.

The link between restaurants and catching the coronavirus is important to Carlson’s claim, since most people lower their masks to sip their drink or eat their food. "Restaurants and coffee shops are places where people will tend to not wear a mask," Prins said.

The study’s authors noted that masks "cannot be effectively worn while eating and drinking." But Carlson claimed that 85% of July cases were "wearing a mask" and "infected anyway."

"Going to places where mask use and social distancing cannot be maintained might be an important risk factor for COVID-19," McDonald said.

Carlson’s comment also ignored limitations listed in the study. The people were surveyed at 11 health care facilities, where they’d all sought testing because they were experiencing symptoms. So they "might not be representative of the United States population," the study’s authors wrote.

Ben Neuman, a virologist with Texas A&M University, Texarkana, also took issue with the survey’s reliance on the participants’ self-reporting of their own mask use.

"There are certain things that are embarrassing or politically and socially sensitive, and you generally won’t get honest answers if you just ask them on a questionnaire," Neuman said.

Carlson misrepresented how masks work
Carlson’s claim also mischaracterized the science behind masks. While masks do provide some protection for wearers, experts and public health officials say they are most effective as "source control," preventing infected people from transmitting the virus.

"When a person who is infected with COVID-19 wears a mask, it helps to reduce the amount of virus that they release when they cough, talk, or even breathe," Prins said.

The CDC recommends wearing masks in public and when social distancing isn’t possible.

Neuman previously shared three studies with PolitiFact that found wearing masks reduces the likelihood of contracting the coronavirus. Other studies have said the same.

"Growing evidence increasingly shows that wearing masks in community settings reduces transmission among individuals in that community," McDonald said. "There are laboratory studies, animal studies, community and epidemiological studies, as well as policy studies that show masking reduces transmission in communities by blocking exhaled respiratory droplets."

The Fox News spokesperson cited CDC Director Robert Redfield’s September testimony as an example of how mask wearing "doesn’t work the way they tell us it works," as Carlson claimed. Redfield touted the effectiveness of masks relative to a potential coronavirus vaccine.

"I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine," Redfield said in a clip Carlson played on his show.

But Redfield never said that masks only protect the wearer — or that they offer complete and total protection in that regard. He was comparing masks to a potential early vaccine, which he said wouldn’t necessarily guarantee an immune response.

"He was suggesting if everyone around him wore a mask, he would be protected until a vaccine became available," McDonald said.

The CDC has been clear elsewhere that masks help keep infected people from passing the virus to others. The CDC’s website, for example, says masks help "prevent a person who is sick from spreading the virus to others." It adds: "The protective effects — how well the mask protects healthy people from breathing in the virus — are unknown."

PolitiFact ruling: FALSE
 
Let me post this again you complete moron...


this is an exact quote from your article...


"Of the 154 survey participants who tested positive, 70.6% said they "always" wore a mask or face covering and 14.4% said they "often" did so. Those numbers form the basis of Carlson’s claim that 85% of people "who got the coronavirus in July (were) wearing a mask."

The entire study is about people who dine out onsite getting COVID. The mask information is just informational. They were not wearing masks while eating.

You are pushing nonsense again.
 
You don't even read the studies when I give you the links you
you moron... idiot, liar. You just make shit up.
The entire study was not... " about people who dine out onsite getting COVID"

The study was of Covid positive vs people who had symptoms and got tested but were negative.


they looked at all sorts of risks....

restaurants, gyms, shopping, office, salon, home, transportation,,
etc.

scroll down about 5 pages to see the risk table...

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69...owrpnKtuQJAibFzDLWGIg-3Ija_CoKO-k3UH4O-zzT0DI

The entire study is about people who dine out onsite getting COVID. The mask information is just informational. They were not wearing masks while eating.

You are pushing nonsense again.
 
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You don't even read the studies when I give you the links you
you moron... idiot, liar. You just make shit up.

The study was of Covid positive vs people who had symptoms and got tested but were negative.

It was not just about going out to eat your moron... liar.
they looked at all sorts of risks....

restaurants, gyms, shopping, office, salon, home, transportation,,
etc.

scroll down about 5 pages to see the risk table...

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69...owrpnKtuQJAibFzDLWGIg-3Ija_CoKO-k3UH4O-zzT0DI

Now you are posting a study about 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities from the CDC --- and then claiming that it is the same study as the one about 85% or 70% wearing masks in a study about dining out which you keep claiming is about masks.

No -- this study you posted proves nothing. Your reference to the risk table in the context of masks is meaningless.
 
This proves you fucking lying idiot who never read the study...
The link is from your politifact article..

you lying fucking moron....
you really disgust me on this covid shit.
you just make shit up and accuse others of lying.



Now you are posting a study about 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities from the CDC --- and then claiming that it is the same study as the one about 85% or 70% wearing masks in a study about dining out which you keep claiming is about masks.

No -- this study you posted proves nothing. Your reference to the risk table in the context of masks is meaningless.
 
read... down and then click... here...

The CDC paper summarizes findings from a survey of 314 people




Let's post the fact check again -- this time be sure you read it completely. It's time for you to stop spouting fabricated bullshiat.

Fact check: Does CDC study show '85 percent' of COVID-19 patients wore masks?

https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/fa...-19-patients-wore-masks-not-exactly/19340391/

Politifact-Version_5-FALSE-DMID1-5kzbudiwm-356x200.gif



Fox News host Tucker Carlson misrepresented the findings of a recent Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report, amplifying misinformation from social media as he claimed on his TV show that the study showed masks don’t work like experts say.

Running through a series of data points listed in the CDC’s report, Carlson said during his Oct. 13 show: "Almost everyone — 85% — who got the coronavirus in July was wearing a mask, and they were infected anyway. So clearly this doesn't work the way they tell us it works."

The Fox News host’s take ran counter to comments he made in April touting the effectiveness of masks. It also contradicted the guidance of public health officials, who say mask wearing on a broad scale can slow the spread of the coronavirus.

Carlson’s misleading claim about the CDC study appeared to make its way to North Carolina.

Dan Forest, North Carolina's Republican candidate for governor, cited the study during his debate with incumbent Gov. Roy Cooper on Wednesday.

“The CDC just this week released their study about mask wearing on COVID-positive cases: 85% of the positive cases in America are from people who say they wore the mask everyday, all the time, or at least almost all the time. 85% of the positive cases,” Forest said.

President Donald Trump, a frequent Fox News watcher and guest, then mentioned it during his rally in Greenville on Thursday.

"Did you see, the CDC, that 85% of the people wearing the masks catch it, OK?" Trump said.

The data in the CDC report, however, cannot be generalized to say "almost everyone" who wore a mask in July got the coronavirus. It’s from a very small sample the authors said may not be representative of the United States, and mask use was self-reported. The report does not say masks don’t work to slow the spread of COVID-19.

The CDC study wasn’t measuring mask effectiveness
The CDC paper summarizes findings from a survey of 314 people. The total included a group of 154 symptomatic people who tested positive for the coronavirus in July and a control group of 160 symptomatic people who tested negative for the coronavirus in July.

Based on the results of the survey, the CDC report said two activities were linked to a positive coronavirus test: close contact with someone who also tested positive, and going to locations with on-site eating and drinking options, such as bars and restaurants.

Of the 160 survey participants who tested negative, 74.2% said they "always" wore a mask or face covering and 14.5% said they "often" did so.

Of the 154 survey participants who tested positive, 70.6% said they "always" wore a mask or face covering and 14.4% said they "often" did so. Those numbers form the basis of Carlson’s claim that 85% of people "who got the coronavirus in July (were) wearing a mask."

A Fox News spokesperson pointed to those figures and a segment from Carlson’s show the following night. In the segment, Carlson addressed a statement he said the CDC made to Fox News. Carlson said the agency called his commentary on the September study "misleading."

"CDC guidance on masks has clearly stated that wearing a mask is intended to protect other people in case the mask wearer is infected," the CDC said in the statement. "At no time has CDC guidance suggested that masks were intended to protect the wearers."

Carlson told viewers the CDC didn’t address his original claim. "The spokesman didn’t dispute that we had showed accurate data from the CDC, including that 85% of people who tested positive for coronavirus in July reported wearing a mask always or often," Carlson said.

But the CDC study wasn’t measuring the impact of masks. "Participants were asked about mask use as an individual behavior," CDC spokesperson Jason McDonald told PolitiFact. "However, the aim of the study was to assess possible situations for community exposure, not mask use."


Carlson misrepresented the CDC paper’s findings
It’s misleading to leap to conclusions about the effectiveness of masks from the CDC report, since most participants reported wearing them and the study was not controlling for mask use.

"You can’t just look at a table and draw conclusions without understanding the details of the study," said Cindy Prins, an epidemiologist with the University of Florida.

"It is difficult to detect the effect of an exposure or intervention when it is widely deployed or used," McDonald added. He said both groups of participants had high levels of mask use, and that the rates of people who always wore a mask in each group were not "statistically different."

The study did find a significant difference between the groups: whether participants went out for food or drink. The study authors wrote that those with positive test results were "approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant" than those who tested negative.

The link between restaurants and catching the coronavirus is important to Carlson’s claim, since most people lower their masks to sip their drink or eat their food. "Restaurants and coffee shops are places where people will tend to not wear a mask," Prins said.

The study’s authors noted that masks "cannot be effectively worn while eating and drinking." But Carlson claimed that 85% of July cases were "wearing a mask" and "infected anyway."

"Going to places where mask use and social distancing cannot be maintained might be an important risk factor for COVID-19," McDonald said.

Carlson’s comment also ignored limitations listed in the study. The people were surveyed at 11 health care facilities, where they’d all sought testing because they were experiencing symptoms. So they "might not be representative of the United States population," the study’s authors wrote.

Ben Neuman, a virologist with Texas A&M University, Texarkana, also took issue with the survey’s reliance on the participants’ self-reporting of their own mask use.

"There are certain things that are embarrassing or politically and socially sensitive, and you generally won’t get honest answers if you just ask them on a questionnaire," Neuman said.

Carlson misrepresented how masks work
Carlson’s claim also mischaracterized the science behind masks. While masks do provide some protection for wearers, experts and public health officials say they are most effective as "source control," preventing infected people from transmitting the virus.

"When a person who is infected with COVID-19 wears a mask, it helps to reduce the amount of virus that they release when they cough, talk, or even breathe," Prins said.

The CDC recommends wearing masks in public and when social distancing isn’t possible.

Neuman previously shared three studies with PolitiFact that found wearing masks reduces the likelihood of contracting the coronavirus. Other studies have said the same.

"Growing evidence increasingly shows that wearing masks in community settings reduces transmission among individuals in that community," McDonald said. "There are laboratory studies, animal studies, community and epidemiological studies, as well as policy studies that show masking reduces transmission in communities by blocking exhaled respiratory droplets."

The Fox News spokesperson cited CDC Director Robert Redfield’s September testimony as an example of how mask wearing "doesn’t work the way they tell us it works," as Carlson claimed. Redfield touted the effectiveness of masks relative to a potential coronavirus vaccine.

"I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine," Redfield said in a clip Carlson played on his show.

But Redfield never said that masks only protect the wearer — or that they offer complete and total protection in that regard. He was comparing masks to a potential early vaccine, which he said wouldn’t necessarily guarantee an immune response.

"He was suggesting if everyone around him wore a mask, he would be protected until a vaccine became available," McDonald said.

The CDC has been clear elsewhere that masks help keep infected people from passing the virus to others. The CDC’s website, for example, says masks help "prevent a person who is sick from spreading the virus to others." It adds: "The protective effects — how well the mask protects healthy people from breathing in the virus — are unknown."

PolitiFact ruling: FALSE
 
read... down and then click... here...

The CDC paper summarizes findings from a survey of 314 people

So you are just going to post the "Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years in 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities — United States, July 2020" paper over and over again. A paper that has nothing to do with your assertions. Give it up already.
 
I don't know what is required to call COVID cases "exploding", since that word is subjective. But this doesn't look promising.

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You can make that chart look any way you want by adjusting the vertical axis. In reality, Canada's numbers are promising it's a fairly controlled second wave compared to most of the world, and we never had the months of heightened infections and death toll that several US states had. If it doesn't look "promising" to you, you aren't honestly trying to understand any of this.

To give some perspective, Ontario a province with 15 million people the majority of which live in urban centers has had 650-1050 infections a day for 2 weeks. North Dakota, a state of 762,000 people which I presume has less of an urban density, had 1200 infections and 11 deaths reported today.
 
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Do you have that little integrity? Why can't you just admit you were wrong..


Its the exact study in which 70.6 percent of the infected stated they always wore a mask.

from the study...
71% of case-patients and 74% of control-participants reported always using cloth face coverings or other mask types when in public


Why do you lie and lie instead of admitting you were wrong...



its the same charts and same data... scroll down to the bottom of the page and the bottom of the summary and you see the exact same chart proving it was not just about eating...
you incredibly obtuse liar.


A. here is the study...
Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years in 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities — United States, July 2020


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm?s_cid=mm6936a5_w

B. here is the summary...

Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years in 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities — United States, July 2020

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69...owrpnKtuQJAibFzDLWGIg-3Ija_CoKO-k3UH4O-zzT0DI



So you are just going to post the "Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years in 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities — United States, July 2020" paper over and over again. A paper that has nothing to do with your assertions. Give it up already.
 
are you really that stupid.. or do you have that little integrity?

its the same charts and same data... scroll down to the bottom of the page and the bottom of the summary and you see the exact same chart proving it was not just about eating...
you incredibly obtuse liar.


A. here is the study...
Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years in 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities — United States, July 2020


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm?s_cid=mm6936a5_w

B. here is the summary...

Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years in 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities — United States, July 2020

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69...owrpnKtuQJAibFzDLWGIg-3Ija_CoKO-k3UH4O-zzT0DI

Once again this is not the CDC study that is cited in the claims that 85% or 70% of the people wearing masks got COVID.

Why don't you go try to find the correct study related to your debunked assertions.
 
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