I don't know what is required to call COVID cases "exploding", since that word is subjective. But this doesn't look promising.
New CDC Journal - The real deal on Masks... plus some vague PC stuff
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I don't know what is required to call COVID cases "exploding", since that word is subjective. But this doesn't look promising.
that Canada Chart is exploding. as are many around the world.
Sweden the last time I checked was on the verge so they cases are probably exploding.
exploding is on the way or going past previous highs at a strong angle.
and you can't count the most recent few days because more data will be appended on to them.
Sweden the last time I checked was on the verge so they cases are probably exploding.
exploding is on the way or going past previous highs at a strong angle.
and you can't count the most recent few days because more data will be appended on to them.
while you all were ripping on Sweden... Sweden has been below zero for excess deaths since the beginning of July.
Its interesting that both you and GWB are impervious to any stats... which counter your locked down world view.
Canada has a 7 day average of 29 deaths a day...
and its not looking so good right now for excess deaths...
(Sweden we shall have to see what happens)
https://globalnews.ca/news/7426785/excess-deaths-spiking-coronavirus-second-wave-canada/
In the first 10 days of October alone, the number of COVID-19 deaths reported by the Public Health Agency of Canada was higher than the monthly totals reported in the entire months of August and September.
“Overall, if the similarities between public health surveillance figures and official death data persist through the resurgence of cases, Canada will likely experience an increase in excess deaths in October,” StatCan said in the report.
Canada is in the midst of what is being considered the second wave of the coronavirus, with daily case counts rising in nearly all provinces — some higher than in the spring.
Its interesting that both you and GWB are impervious to any stats... which counter your locked down world view.
Canada has a 7 day average of 29 deaths a day...
and its not looking so good right now for excess deaths...
(Sweden we shall have to see what happens)
https://globalnews.ca/news/7426785/excess-deaths-spiking-coronavirus-second-wave-canada/
In the first 10 days of October alone, the number of COVID-19 deaths reported by the Public Health Agency of Canada was higher than the monthly totals reported in the entire months of August and September.
“Overall, if the similarities between public health surveillance figures and official death data persist through the resurgence of cases, Canada will likely experience an increase in excess deaths in October,” StatCan said in the report.
Canada is in the midst of what is being considered the second wave of the coronavirus, with daily case counts rising in nearly all provinces — some higher than in the spring.
it was not an interpretation..
I quoted the study and showed the tables on another thread moron.
look it up.
Facts...
I quoted the study and showed the tables on another thread moron.
look it up.
Facts...
that is interesting ... I did not know that.
that is amazing...
That would seemingly prove Tegnall was correct when he said masks are likely dangerous because the give the high risk a false sense of security.
that is amazing...
That would seemingly prove Tegnall was correct when he said masks are likely dangerous because the give the high risk a false sense of security.
Let's post the fact check again -- this time be sure you read it completely. It's time for you to stop spouting fabricated bullshiat.
Fact check: Does CDC study show '85 percent' of COVID-19 patients wore masks?
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/fa...-19-patients-wore-masks-not-exactly/19340391/
Fox News host Tucker Carlson misrepresented the findings of a recent Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report, amplifying misinformation from social media as he claimed on his TV show that the study showed masks don’t work like experts say.
Running through a series of data points listed in the CDC’s report, Carlson said during his Oct. 13 show: "Almost everyone — 85% — who got the coronavirus in July was wearing a mask, and they were infected anyway. So clearly this doesn't work the way they tell us it works."
The Fox News host’s take ran counter to comments he made in April touting the effectiveness of masks. It also contradicted the guidance of public health officials, who say mask wearing on a broad scale can slow the spread of the coronavirus.
Carlson’s misleading claim about the CDC study appeared to make its way to North Carolina.
Dan Forest, North Carolina's Republican candidate for governor, cited the study during his debate with incumbent Gov. Roy Cooper on Wednesday.
“The CDC just this week released their study about mask wearing on COVID-positive cases: 85% of the positive cases in America are from people who say they wore the mask everyday, all the time, or at least almost all the time. 85% of the positive cases,” Forest said.
President Donald Trump, a frequent Fox News watcher and guest, then mentioned it during his rally in Greenville on Thursday.
"Did you see, the CDC, that 85% of the people wearing the masks catch it, OK?" Trump said.
The data in the CDC report, however, cannot be generalized to say "almost everyone" who wore a mask in July got the coronavirus. It’s from a very small sample the authors said may not be representative of the United States, and mask use was self-reported. The report does not say masks don’t work to slow the spread of COVID-19.
The CDC study wasn’t measuring mask effectiveness
The CDC paper summarizes findings from a survey of 314 people. The total included a group of 154 symptomatic people who tested positive for the coronavirus in July and a control group of 160 symptomatic people who tested negative for the coronavirus in July.
Based on the results of the survey, the CDC report said two activities were linked to a positive coronavirus test: close contact with someone who also tested positive, and going to locations with on-site eating and drinking options, such as bars and restaurants.
Of the 160 survey participants who tested negative, 74.2% said they "always" wore a mask or face covering and 14.5% said they "often" did so.
Of the 154 survey participants who tested positive, 70.6% said they "always" wore a mask or face covering and 14.4% said they "often" did so. Those numbers form the basis of Carlson’s claim that 85% of people "who got the coronavirus in July (were) wearing a mask."
A Fox News spokesperson pointed to those figures and a segment from Carlson’s show the following night. In the segment, Carlson addressed a statement he said the CDC made to Fox News. Carlson said the agency called his commentary on the September study "misleading."
"CDC guidance on masks has clearly stated that wearing a mask is intended to protect other people in case the mask wearer is infected," the CDC said in the statement. "At no time has CDC guidance suggested that masks were intended to protect the wearers."
Carlson told viewers the CDC didn’t address his original claim. "The spokesman didn’t dispute that we had showed accurate data from the CDC, including that 85% of people who tested positive for coronavirus in July reported wearing a mask always or often," Carlson said.
But the CDC study wasn’t measuring the impact of masks. "Participants were asked about mask use as an individual behavior," CDC spokesperson Jason McDonald told PolitiFact. "However, the aim of the study was to assess possible situations for community exposure, not mask use."
Carlson misrepresented the CDC paper’s findings
It’s misleading to leap to conclusions about the effectiveness of masks from the CDC report, since most participants reported wearing them and the study was not controlling for mask use.
"You can’t just look at a table and draw conclusions without understanding the details of the study," said Cindy Prins, an epidemiologist with the University of Florida.
"It is difficult to detect the effect of an exposure or intervention when it is widely deployed or used," McDonald added. He said both groups of participants had high levels of mask use, and that the rates of people who always wore a mask in each group were not "statistically different."
The study did find a significant difference between the groups: whether participants went out for food or drink. The study authors wrote that those with positive test results were "approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant" than those who tested negative.
The link between restaurants and catching the coronavirus is important to Carlson’s claim, since most people lower their masks to sip their drink or eat their food. "Restaurants and coffee shops are places where people will tend to not wear a mask," Prins said.
The study’s authors noted that masks "cannot be effectively worn while eating and drinking." But Carlson claimed that 85% of July cases were "wearing a mask" and "infected anyway."
"Going to places where mask use and social distancing cannot be maintained might be an important risk factor for COVID-19," McDonald said.
Carlson’s comment also ignored limitations listed in the study. The people were surveyed at 11 health care facilities, where they’d all sought testing because they were experiencing symptoms. So they "might not be representative of the United States population," the study’s authors wrote.
Ben Neuman, a virologist with Texas A&M University, Texarkana, also took issue with the survey’s reliance on the participants’ self-reporting of their own mask use.
"There are certain things that are embarrassing or politically and socially sensitive, and you generally won’t get honest answers if you just ask them on a questionnaire," Neuman said.
Carlson misrepresented how masks work
Carlson’s claim also mischaracterized the science behind masks. While masks do provide some protection for wearers, experts and public health officials say they are most effective as "source control," preventing infected people from transmitting the virus.
"When a person who is infected with COVID-19 wears a mask, it helps to reduce the amount of virus that they release when they cough, talk, or even breathe," Prins said.
The CDC recommends wearing masks in public and when social distancing isn’t possible.
Neuman previously shared three studies with PolitiFact that found wearing masks reduces the likelihood of contracting the coronavirus. Other studies have said the same.
"Growing evidence increasingly shows that wearing masks in community settings reduces transmission among individuals in that community," McDonald said. "There are laboratory studies, animal studies, community and epidemiological studies, as well as policy studies that show masking reduces transmission in communities by blocking exhaled respiratory droplets."
The Fox News spokesperson cited CDC Director Robert Redfield’s September testimony as an example of how mask wearing "doesn’t work the way they tell us it works," as Carlson claimed. Redfield touted the effectiveness of masks relative to a potential coronavirus vaccine.
"I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine," Redfield said in a clip Carlson played on his show.
But Redfield never said that masks only protect the wearer — or that they offer complete and total protection in that regard. He was comparing masks to a potential early vaccine, which he said wouldn’t necessarily guarantee an immune response.
"He was suggesting if everyone around him wore a mask, he would be protected until a vaccine became available," McDonald said.
The CDC has been clear elsewhere that masks help keep infected people from passing the virus to others. The CDC’s website, for example, says masks help "prevent a person who is sick from spreading the virus to others." It adds: "The protective effects — how well the mask protects healthy people from breathing in the virus — are unknown."
PolitiFact ruling: FALSE
Yep. It's a real interesting revelation when you consider that these power moguls think mask are the beat-all end-all.---
CDC Study: 85% of Coronavirus Patients Reported Wearing Masks ‘Always’ or ‘Often’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ients-reported-wearing-masks-always-or-often/
An overlooked study published recently by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) suggests that cloth face coverings or masks are mostly ineffective in preventing the spread of the Chinese coronavirus as promoted by public health officials.
The researchers found that 71 percent of the case-patients contracted the virus despite reporting “always” wearing a cloth face covering or mask at least 14 days before illness onset, and 14 percent contracted the virus despite reporting “often” wearing one at least 14 days before illness onset.
That indicates 85 percent of the COVID-19 study participants contracted the virus even after either always (71 percent) or often (14 percent) wearing a face covering or mask, suggesting the masks are not entirely effective at preventing the spread of the coronavirus.
Brreitbart -- what a joke. Go read the facts two posts above.