New ad claims Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez want to punish success

Despite the fact that the rich are notorious for how little they can get away with paying, thereby contributing to an ever expanding wealth gap?



As it relates to universal health care, I imagine all the red tape associated with varying state requirements can safely be set alight. And I can only imagine the economies of scale that a reasonably structured and managed universal health care system can provide. And yet, there are rugged individualists who won't even come to the table to discuss it.

You often chide others for repeating the usual political talking points.

The “Wealth Gap” isn’t part of the equation as more tax dollars will not fix the underlying problem. And pitting social classes against each other doesn’t help, it’s a political ploy.
 
The solution is to create a more efficient government & healthcare system. That's a lot easier said than done though because there are a great deal of people that benefit from inefficiencies in these areas.

Bingo!
 
Unlike some of the automatons that respond in these threads, you are an actual person who thinks, feels and believes. That's pretty clear to me, if not to everyone. This statement, "...only know one solution, increase the size of the government bureaucracy." tells me quite a lot about you thiinking toward government. It's understandable, especially if you are dealing with the private, capitalist, medical bureaucracy which is as close to 100% self-captured by government regulation as I suppose it is possible to get. We are not going to agree on the solution to this problem.

Think about this though. If we can accept that the medical bureaucracy that we hate is due to extreme regulatory capture by the medical sector, it become possible to recognize that by contrast what Warren and Sanders are proposing would result in less bureaucracy; not more. Most everything would be simpler with way less paper work, and fewer rules. Still bureaucratic, but much less so than present. It's an ironic conclusion, but I believe it could be demonstrated by comparison with our sister countries that all have single payer medical care. Bureaucracy, with regard to medical care, in these other countries is dramatically less apparent. Paperwork is monumentally reduced, access to medical care is less multilayered and circuitous and cost dramatically lower! What Buttigieg and Biden are proposing would result in a less dramatic, immediate break, and therefore might be a more practical in that there would be less initial disruption. There would also be a much slower reduction in bureaucracy, as the current medical "system" would be left, initially, more intact. It's assumed, and it is probably a correct assumption, that what they propose, i.e., the public option, would lead to nearly the same place ultimately as the Warren and Sanders proposal.

I’m sorry, but I’ve never seen a government work as efficiently or as cost effective as the public sector. Capitalism works when its given a chance. Businesses that offer better products, are ran more efficiently, thrive. Those that can’t fail.

The Medical and Insurance sectors are thriving but not because of innovation or creativity, but due to a highly lobbied quagmire of self-promoting legislation

Open Insurance markets and make them compete.
 
I’m sorry, but I’ve never seen a government work as efficiently or as cost effective as the public sector. Capitalism works when its given a chance. Businesses that offer better products, are ran more effectively, thrive. Those that can’t fail.

The Medical and Insurance sectors are thriving but not because of innovation or creativity, but due to a highly lobbied quagmire of self-promoting legislation

Open Insurance markets and make them compete.


but republicans introduced citizens united and was upheld by the Republican judges?
 
Anything pertinent to the discussion you’d like to add or just here to sling some mud?

Your argument is "capitalism will prevail". My counter argument is republican backed crony capitalism which can shape legislation to pick winners will not allow true capitalism to prevail.

It really isn't that hard to follow, yet when it comes to keeping a moderate supreme court, your side decides to double down instead.
 
Your argument is "capitalism will prevail". My counter argument is republican backed crony capitalism which can shape legislation to pick winners will not allow true capitalism to prevail.

It really isn't that hard to follow, yet when it comes to keeping a moderate supreme court, your side decides to double down instead.

Capitalism works when given a chance.

Crony Capitalism vs Crony Government Corruption should be a better topic as most legislation that shapes today’s medical insurance discussion stems from the ACA. The ACA more than anything decimated the field of providers, narrowing down to a few select companies that would receive government subsidies/risk corridors and cemented their territorial claims.

Stop the strawman
 
Crony Capitalism vs Crony Government Corruption should be a better topic as most legislation that shapes today’s medical insurance discussion stems from the ACA. The ACA more than anything decimated the field of providers, narrowing down to a few select companies that would receive government subsidies/risk corridors and cemented their territorial claims.

That's BS and you know it. Romneycare is far from perfect, but let's not turn a blind eye to the fact that the system's only 7-8 yrs old....and it's been decimated these last 3 yrs by this admin. The healthcare problem is far older than that.
 
I don't see the wealth gap & income gap as a problem. I'm much more concerned about the economic health of the lower quintiles, and the erosion of fair markets & traditional capitalism.
And you don't see a possible connection between the two?

Also, I "misspoke" earlier. I meant to write unsheltered income rather than pre-tax income.
 
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