Nevada Ranch Dispute Getting Ugly, Another Waco Or Ruby Ridge Coming?

[CaptainObvious]

Cliven Bundy: "I am not a racist, I just play one on TV!"

Poor Clive, just didn't know when to shut up.:eek:
What poor old Clive was trying to say, is that if you take a look at how black people lived as slaves, and how they live now on the urban plantation, it's difficult to see there's been much of an improvement. What's really impossible to pull off is making that statement without appearing to support slavery as a viable alternative to the current situation black people endure in the ghetto, especially with Race Baiting Inc. chomping at the bit to dissect every word coming out of whitey's mouth.

 

[Ricter]

Poor Clive, just didn't know when to shut up.:eek:
What poor old Clive was trying to say, is that if you take a look at how black people lived as slaves, and how they live now on the urban plantation, it's difficult to see there's been much of an improvement. What's really impossible to pull off is making that statement without appearing to support slavery as a viable alternative to the current situation black people endure in the ghetto, especially with Race Baiting Inc. chomping at the bit to dissect every word coming out of whitey's mouth.

Or, he could pay his land use fees and go back to work.

 

[Lucrum]

EVERYBODY has had slow times with the ladies.
"Robert Redford even overhauls" from the song "Don't The Girls All Get Prettier At Closing Time"

Hey little ego lukey, fuckyourselves you redheaded cunt LOL.

You dodged another question where the answer didn't suit you.

How do WE KNOW pretty ladies like you, dumb ass?

 

[CaptainObvious]

I have trouble finding any sympathy for Mr. Bundy. He is clearly in violation of the law which requires him to pay the fees regardless of whether he likes the federal government or not. I wrote a check on April 15th just like I do every year. I don't like it. I despise our criminally corrupt government, but that does not absolve me from obeying the law.
In a nutshell, the guy is a freeloader, another pretend patriot who waves a flag in the hope that blind patriots will follow. He's one of these guys who will talk about the rule of law when it suits him, then violate the law when it doesn't.
There is also a racial component to this and I'm not talking about his latest comments. A black guy or group of Mexicans come out and say they don't acknowledge the federal government and will live and do as they please, and then pull a gun, would be shot dead on the spot, and the very same people supporting Bundy would be cheering while it happened.
What conservatives need to learn is just because some dimwit waves a flag and/or holds up a rifle while shouting don't tread on me doesn't mean he's a patriot. In most cases it means he's an idiot and a criminal. Most of these flag waving criminals are wearing 3000 dollar suits, but more than a few are sporting a cowboy hat and wearing jeans.
For me it boils down to one thing and one thing only. I gotta' obey the law, so do you motherfucker. Period!

 

[LEAPup]

I have trouble finding any sympathy for Mr. Bundy. He is clearly in violation of the law which requires him to pay the fees regardless of whether he likes the federal government or not. I wrote a check on April 15th just like I do every year. I don't like it. I despise our criminally corrupt government, but that does not absolve me from obeying the law.
In a nutshell, the guy is a freeloader, another pretend patriot who waves a flag in the hope that blind patriots will follow. He's one of these guys who will talk about the rule of law when it suits him, then violate the law when it doesn't.
There is also a racial component to this and I'm not talking about his latest comments. A black guy or group of Mexicans come out and say they don't acknowledge the federal government and will live and do as they please, and then pull a gun, would be shot dead on the spot, and the very same people supporting Bundy would be cheering while it happened.
What conservatives need to learn is just because some dimwit waves a flag and/or holds up a rifle while shouting don't tread on me doesn't mean he's a patriot. In most cases it means he's an idiot and a criminal. Most of these flag waving criminals are wearing 3000 dollar suits, but more than a few are sporting a cowboy hat and wearing jeans.
For me it boils down to one thing and one thing only. I gotta' obey the law, so do you motherfucker. Period!

The guy should have given only one press conference (and told what NOT to say lol), then left the tv screen and papers after the feds left. He's pushed the issue too hard now, and the people are starting to turn on him. That's actually a loss for OUR freedom when people turn their backs on this guy for pushing too hard after the "fire" was put out.
The WAT too many press conferences showing him mock the gubment, and the black comments did him in. He'd be lucky if he's not sued again now. He would have won had he stfu, then left when the feds left. That would have been a win, but he fucked it all up. Now anyone who stands behind the guy will be painted with a broad brush, racist by the msm.

 

[Lucrum]

I have trouble finding any sympathy for Mr. Bundy. He is clearly in violation of the law which requires him to pay the fees regardless of whether he likes the federal government or not. I wrote a check on April 15th just like I do every year. I don't like it. I despise our criminally corrupt government, but that does not absolve me from obeying the law.
In a nutshell, the guy is a freeloader, another pretend patriot who waves a flag in the hope that blind patriots will follow. He's one of these guys who will talk about the rule of law when it suits him, then violate the law when it doesn't.
There is also a racial component to this and I'm not talking about his latest comments. A black guy or group of Mexicans come out and say they don't acknowledge the federal government and will live and do as they please, and then pull a gun, would be shot dead on the spot, and the very same people supporting Bundy would be cheering while it happened.
What conservatives need to learn is just because some dimwit waves a flag and/or holds up a rifle while shouting don't tread on me doesn't mean he's a patriot. In most cases it means he's an idiot and a criminal. Most of these flag waving criminals are wearing 3000 dollar suits, but more than a few are sporting a cowboy hat and wearing jeans.
For me it boils down to one thing and one thing only. I gotta' obey the law, so do you motherfucker. Period!

I don't think many if anyone here are defending the rancher from a legal standpoint.
To me the primary issue was the governments gross misuse of Gestapo tactics over unpaid grazing fees and the probable Harry Reid corruption behind the feds motivation for swatting a fly with a sledge hammer.
Once the armed feds left he should have just shut his mouth and savored his "victory" in relative silence. Look at all the gaffes and misspoken crap that our professional career politicians constantly get caught in. Given enough time in front of reporters, an average Joe rancher doesn't stand a chance in that regard. It's only a matter of time before he sticks his foot in his mouth. Probably after a deliberate leading question from an adversarial reporter. Then of course the media will pounce, blow it out of proportion, take his words out of context and crucify the poor bastard. Discrediting him as someone who should be ostracized, any righteousness of his original campaign be damned.

Zimmerman did much the same thing to himself. He should have just faded into obscurity. Now of course brain dead progressives the world over look at his post acquittal actions as somehow diminishing the fact he had the legal right to shoot that thug in Sanford.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

I don't think many if anyone here are defending the rancher from a legal standpoint.
To me the primary issue was the governments gross misuse of Gestapo tactics over unpaid grazing fees and the probable Harry Reid corruption behind the feds motivation for swatting a fly with a sledge hammer.
Once the armed feds left he should have just shut his mouth and savored his "victory" in relative silence. Look at all the gaffes and misspoken crap that our professional career politicians constantly get caught in. Given enough time in front of reporters, an average Joe rancher doesn't stand a chance in that regard. It's only a matter of time before he sticks his foot in his mouth. Probably after a deliberate leading question from an adversarial reporter. Then of course the media will pounce, blow it out of proportion, take his words out of context and crucify the poor bastard. Discrediting him as someone who should be ostracized, any righteousness of his original campaign be damned.

Zimmerman did much the same thing to himself. He should have just faded into obscurity. Now of course brain dead progressives the world over look at his post acquittal actions as somehow diminishing the fact he had the legal right to shoot that thug in Sanford.

Very well stated.

I don't know the details of the legal case. I do know government overreaction when I see it. If the militias and protesters hadn't shown up, I have little doubt the feds wouod have mounted some sort of Waco-style assault and killed anything that moved. As it was, they beat up his son and had a police dog attack him.

It is unfortunate that the issue of government overuse of force got tangled up with Bundy. There are way too many SWAT teams out there. I mean the Department of Education has a SWAT team. Every podunk police force and sheriff's office has one, with APC's etc. Why?

There is a lot to be said for having a small number of well-trained SWAT units. The possibility of misuse is dramatically lowered. Every police search warrant or arrest warrant does not have to be served at 3 AM by kicking in a door and sending in storm troopers. I'm sure it's a lot of fun for the jack-booted thugs who do it. They get to go full Barney Fife on some cowering family, parade them around in their undies for the camera crew, maybe even get to shoot the family dog.

I say it has to stop. What do our republican "leaders" say? ...Crickets chirping...

 

[jem]

there was no doubt the police had to get stronger in response to the drug gangs... but 30 years later our police have themselves become too militarized and they are local.

The feds must be de militarized.

I have to look this up... but were not set up to keep the army working against outsiders and state national guards were to be working internally when needed.

All these militarized federal agencies seem like a major security risk to me and a constitutionally issue. I am just spitballing here... I did not look this up.
Its saturday and a bit rainy here and I am just looking at charts.

 

[Max E.]

I don't think many if anyone here are defending the rancher from a legal standpoint.
To me the primary issue was the governments gross misuse of Gestapo tactics over unpaid grazing fees and the probable Harry Reid corruption behind the feds motivation for swatting a fly with a sledge hammer.
Once the armed feds left he should have just shut his mouth and savored his "victory" in relative silence. Look at all the gaffes and misspoken crap that our professional career politicians constantly get caught in. Given enough time in front of reporters, an average Joe rancher doesn't stand a chance in that regard. It's only a matter of time before he sticks his foot in his mouth. Probably after a deliberate leading question from an adversarial reporter. Then of course the media will pounce, blow it out of proportion, take his words out of context and crucify the poor bastard. Discrediting him as someone who should be ostracized, any righteousness of his original campaign be damned.

Zimmerman did much the same thing to himself. He should have just faded into obscurity. Now of course brain dead progressives the world over look at his post acquittal actions as somehow diminishing the fact he had the legal right to shoot that thug in Sanford.

well said.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Some well stated responses to my rant. I think we can all agree on a few things. Mr. Bundy should have quietly rode off into the sunset once the Feds left. Harry Reid is a criminal and a hypocrite. The Feds were heavy handed, but I would argue not as heavy as they would have been if this had been some inner city rebellion. Be that as it may, the Feds are looking to threaten and intimidate whenever and wherever they can.
Finally, I think we can all agree that both political parties are up to their eyeballs in hypocrisy and B.S. Most every news outlet is spewing B.S. as fast as they can print or say it. Both mainstream/establishment dems and repubs are simply different sides of the same criminally corrupt coin, and equally responsible for everything that is wrong with this country. I see no difference, none, zero, nada, between Harry and Mitch, between Nancy and John, between Bro O and his idiot predecessor Dubya'. All corrupt to their very core. All willing to sell out the average American to keep their spot at the trough. Not an American patriot among them. Not one!