Well I understand it's not going to be easy nothing ever is and I agree I'm gonna have to learn alot and study and watch what's going but I'm willing to do that because I'm determined and I also agree with you that you gotta be able to have fun doing it and so far belive it or not I am having fun. I was just looking for some pointers from people who do this alot I really don't need smartazz answers or stupid questions from people I was just looking for some tips that's all and I thought I would get serious people who are willing to help because everyone has to start somewhere even you big shots but most people but not all are jerk offs. And I don't expect to make a killing right away or do I expect to double my money everyday I would be happy to come out ahead $10 to $20 a week after commission to start out with. I'm not selling my company or anything like that I make good money in my business but I'm not going to dump a couple thousand down the drain I rather bet it on football or cards or play go fish for that matter I'm just trying to learn something that interest me that's why I bought books and I ask questions because that's the only way to learn. 