Need advice on trading computer, and monitors

Quote from musclemoney:

I'm trying to set up an actual system where I can be in one place and do what I need to do.

I manage opm, as well as daytrade. (Well, attempt to daytrade:eek: ...)

I need to have a computer and monitors that will allow me to:

* Watch over a portfolio of about 25 equities, and options intraday, so a monitor, probably two dedicated to just that.

* a monitor set up to monitor movement in the the markets intraday, as well as charts for the djia, spx, and nasdaq and news.

* a monitor for ES, YM, ER charting 1 min, 5 min, and 60 min, order entry, etc.,


I've been looking at this setup, but could use some advice/comments:

http://www.tradingcomputers.com/TC_6mon-2R.html

(I like the 8 monitor set up too, but wonder if that's information overload?)

http://www.tradingcomputers.com/TC_F-18.html

Thanks!




I've been using an F-18 from TradingComputers.com for over a year now. I have it hooked to 8 Dell monitors, which I already had. This is the best system I have ever owned.

I would suggest ordering the 10,00RPM hard drives, if you're interested in speed.

I trade the ES every day, from open to close. I have had no problems with this setup at all.

I also own 2 Dell desktops and 1 Dell laptop. I had hard drive problems with each of them within the first year.

I intend to order from Trading Computers.com again, when needed.
 
I trade from a laptop with a big screen. Yes, one laptop. 33 ES points intraday Friday (per contract, NOT averaging down) and 10 3/4 today, which was a half day (felt like watching the Sopranos at 3 PM, so I did--felt I earned it). Having multiple screens is unnecessary and, as Austin has argued, possibly counterproductive.

In the old days I foolishly used to have screens set up galore to track every major symbol, NYSE-TICK, and TRIN. Now I trade the ES and, once in a blue moon, the NQ, and have a total of three screens. I focus on one-minute ES and flip to the other two as necessary.

When you focus on one symbol--focus like a laser beam--you realize how much you used to miss.

Imagine if a physician tried to treat seven, or twenty-five!-patients at once. Yes, it would be silly. Yet in many ways traders are like physicians in that we look for signs (and sometimes these signs are subtle, not obvious) of a market's sickness or health.

There is plenty of money to be made with ONE screen and ONE symbol, imo.
 
You need to slow way down.
You have never day traded before and you plan on spending a lot of money on equipment you can't possibly know if you need or not. There are traders that are successful on an old computer with one monitor, and others that have huge hardware investments. Until you have proven yourself one of the very small minority of consistently profitable traders, and know what type of trading works for you there is no reason to buy anything other than a basic setup. I spent more on my individual computer and monitors than anyone else here, but I did not do it before I knew how to trade. I can tell you with some certainty that you are jumping the gun.
 
Quote from austinp:

<i>"I manage opm, as well as daytrade. (Well, attempt to daytrade ...)"</i>

the step(s) from attempting to successful day-trading include a significant amount of focus. In the past I traded index options that were held open for hours to days at a time. That allowed time for watching lots of stuff... once the trade was open, it went on autopilot because execution was slow & deliberate.

Day-trading emini futures is a completely different story. Your intraday attention is already partially divided towards mandatory tasks of opm. That leaves you with less than 100% focus and attention by necessity on the emini charts.

I strongly suggest you limit symbols and charts watched to fewest possible. For example, the ES and YM are synonymous. It's like trading SPX and OEX options together. There's no real point... might as well just trade one or the other and add size.

The ES and ER differ enough so that one will commonly be on a buy or sell signal while the other diverges or is in flux between signals. You might seriously consider just working one or the other, so fleeting signals aren't missed while attention is diverted.

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Most newbie traders get all twitterpated when they see a dozen screens all stacked up, running countless charts and workspaces. It gives the illusion of information, power and control over markets. Reality is, that type of visual clutter does nothing but sap your most critical resource: mental focus on the task at hand.

The really successful traders I know work from four screens max, and two screens are enough for individual trading with no other distractions. In a pinch, one laptop with one screen would suffice. At least that single-screen trading would be far more effective than eight monitors spewing currencies, commodities and stock market feeds to a scatter-brained, overloaded and overwhelmed mind.

You have a necessary need for several screens. My advice is to limit that visual real estate to fewest decision points possible for accomplishing that. You'll make far more money in the end with fewer screens watched.

I greatly the appreciate the advice! I have been thinking the same thing all week while on vacation with my Wife and Sons. I'm throwing my line out in the surf (no big fish to tell of. The crabs got most of the bait.:( ), and am thinking, "how in the hell am I going to try to focus ALL of my attention on trading the ES, and some options occasionally with 6-8 monitors running, and not be just completely overloaded with useless information taking my attention away from the trade?"

It was a "Duh!" moment you could say, where a week away from trading, and buried in data, paperwork, etc., may have "put some common sense back in me.":D

Would you all recommend a desktop set up with two 24" monitors where I can "split the screens" into four? Meaning I could have three charts up, and another for the dom/order entry, etc.,

If that cannot be done (I'm not a "computer guy,":( ), then four monitors max.

I can run my RIA business through my laptop which is attached to a 21" monitor. It's always worked well, but is now starting to shut off without warning. I back up everything, but I can't have that going on with my Client's money. I don't trade actively at all in their accounts, as I'm a performance-based RIA (I get paid a % only when they make $ there are no commissions.) But, I think after replacing a hard drive once, and the shutting off it's time for a new one (it's four years old, and "been through it.")
Can you all recommend a good laptop? I like the toughbook T7
http://www.panasonic.com/business/Toughbook/business-rugged-computers.asp#

Again, I appreciate all of the comments, and advice!
 
Quote from opt789:

You need to slow way down.
You have never day traded before and you plan on spending a lot of money on equipment you can't possibly know if you need or not. There are traders that are successful on an old computer with one monitor, and others that have huge hardware investments. Until you have proven yourself one of the very small minority of consistently profitable traders, and know what type of trading works for you there is no reason to buy anything other than a basic setup. I spent more on my individual computer and monitors than anyone else here, but I did not do it before I knew how to trade. I can tell you with some certainty that you are jumping the gun.

I agree.
 
Quote from musclemoney:

"... Would you all recommend a desktop set up with two 24" monitors where I can "split the screens" into four? Meaning I could have three charts up, and another for the dom/order entry, etc.,

Just about any modern dualhead video card will handle 2, 24's running from a PCIEx16 slot. My choice would be Nvidia Quadro NVS... either 290 or 285.

"4 monitors" is easy too... but if you go to 6-8 monitors, you'll need to do a bit of planning ahead before you buy hardware.
 
gnome, you're an incredible fountain of knowledge and it's great that you're willing to share that with others.

so, thanks. on behalf of all those who silently read and learn from you...
 
Multiple screens can get distracting at times. I'm up to 5 now, but will soon buy a new system with just two big muthas. 30 inchers which will have all my day trading stuff on one, and a series of assorted other stuff on the other. nice and clean looking. One of em is going to double as a TV too I think.
 
Quote from Jayford:

Multiple screens can get distracting at times. I'm up to 5 now, but will soon buy a new system with just two big muthas. 30 inchers which will have all my day trading stuff on one, and a series of assorted other stuff on the other. nice and clean looking. One of em is going to double as a TV too I think.

There are a lot of choices for a TV tuner card... either for PCIx1 or PCI slot.

I've had a few and am currently using an inexpensive but good one... in case you're interested, you can PM me and I'll give you the dope.
 
Quote from gnome:

Just about any modern dualhead video card will handle 2, 24's running from a PCIEx16 slot. My choice would be Nvidia Quadro NVS... either 290 or 285.

"4 monitors" is easy too... but if you go to 6-8 monitors, you'll need to do a bit of planning ahead before you buy hardware.

I appreciate the help! Where do you think is the best place to order these? Thanks again! Good stuff!
 
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