Need a dialogue on this ECO101...

Are resources raly scarce ?

  • Yes... the earth is round...

    Votes: 11 68.8%

  • No, infinite universe, infinite resources.

    Votes: 5 31.3%
  • Total voters
    16
what do you think about this revelation :

"What I am speaking about is the fact that the world isn't flat. Take a tomato on the right and an orange on the left and touch their surface. Imagine your self on the orange surface, how tiny your are... how the hills and valley of the orange are big and at the same time very small from outside... Ad to this the 3D Effect of buiding and Mining + the fractal nature of reality and you really get an infinite world. And Water is infinite too... you can't consume it... you only USE it or trash it with dirt or salt. It's called the water cycle. Water don't disapear naturally from the cycle... it evaporate or infiltrate in the ground..." ( me on climategate)

Now I didn't want to explain you how life is on the tomato surface... As it's flat ( like the view of the world 400+ years ago )
it's ugly... 37000 children die per days ! Everyone fighting for space. You have to make your mind set evolve... The world is round AND not FLAT ( 3D Fractal Nature ) = INFINITE RESOURCE !

R+NF = Exponential Resources from precedent theory

What I say isn't that the Earth is infinite... just that the resources are exponentially avaible... as fast as our mind and work...


how wrong ? No Nobel for me ?
 
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Humans will not sacrifice their time and effort for free.

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Some will... look at all the information that you will find in youtube...


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But humans are genetically hard-wired to pursue their own self-interest. Which is why relative scarcity exists.
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No that's because they are in constant stress due to scarcity... Secondly they are educated to be self interest oriented...
However they still laugh, cry, love etc...

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Which is why relative scarcity exists
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So true... you have the wording... relative scarcity! perfect.

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And why Communism failed.
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nothing to do...
it's just because big power corrupts big... and infinite power corrupts infinitely...
 
Oh and I am really sorry for all of those who have studied and spend a lot of money on standardized education...

However as small as is my idea, I want it to serve all, and by that I mean that we have to start question even a the Title of the Book. Always. And never accept that an answer is undiscutatble because it's sacred. Your soul is sacred. By not answering you it's insulting more than your spirit.

To the Eco101 pro, your knowledge isn't false, just has to finetuned due to this fact:

The Earth is round AND the surface isn't flat = exponential resources...
 
look :

Light : in itself is clear... nothing... however it remove darkness... and it's composed of all colors.

Sea : The size of the sea is impossible to know, if you look at the less that 1/100cm ( inch ) you will see that trough the waves the surface of the sea is infinite and that the life absorbing the solar energy is infinite...^^ at least bigger than in a map of google earth !
 
I did a mistake...

Generation 2 of the idea is that Earth (E) comprising all what has value for a based water life; Wealth (W) which is all the resources ( life,3d dimension, water, things ); and (I) energy input (internal, external etc).

and so

E=W x I^2

Scientifically it waits to be proven wrong.
However for us as human I will add a variable (K) by knowledge

E=W x I^2 x K

Anyway nothing to do with traditional view of scarcity... in my view it's look more like plentyness.
 
Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." (Sign hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton).

1 = 1
Ein = Ein
Ein St Ein
En Ist En
Ein ist Ein

A. Einstein quotes from http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~cheshire/EinsteinQuotes.html

"The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible."

"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing."

"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."

"Equations are more important to me, because politics is for the present, but an equation is something for eternity."

don't you understand :

"The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker."

Welcome to the exponential economy :)

e = wi^2

for the futur3: "The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."
 
this vision ( or equation or reality ) can only manifest itself if we respect ourselfves the Earth all the living being on the Earth. And by respect I really mean love...

We are smart enough for that :D .

Proper Education Always Corrects Errors = P.E.A.C.E
 
I think that to illustrate my point I need to make an example...

So I am big fan of sushis and particularly Sashimis... made with toro tuna fish...We can't grow it artifically, it's wild, and free...
However this fish is the perfect image to explain the concept...

If we are thinking with the Tomato mindset ( meaning the cheese board... ) we can clearly come to the conclusion that the fishing stock is finished... And so say that resources are limited...

In fact by stoping the time, we can say that there are X tuna fishes in the sea... However we all know that it's not the number of fish who count but their size... It brings the fractal nature of the universe in to play...
However if we start to feel we realize quickly that a small fish can become a big, if we let him the time...

However you will quickly realize that it's the interest of the fishers that they are still tunas in the seas so they can still fish them... And so to protect big and healthy individual to let them reproduce and assure a healthy and lively stock of tuna fish in the sea...

And so it will bring the notion that all our waste goes into the water... river who will go to the sea...

( and by the way did you see that the market is still there... )

You see we are part of the life cycle, we are able to go to the exponential economy, or as it was called sometimes : the true Golden Age...

So let me show you how you were thinking :

As they are X tuna fish, we have to hunt them down all, starting with the biggest, then going to the smaller one... to finally reach a stage where the tuna will be so small that it will be unable to survive the hard life of the ocean... and goes the way of the dodo...

So please use your heart to think economics...

It's not the science of scarcity, as the money changer wants you to think, it's the science of fullness ! We need to think. I am at your full disposition to answer any question about this new world. I will be really happy to help do the switch...
 
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