Near Death Experiences (NDE's)

>Also, as I said 15% of NDErs have a very
>negative experience.

I'd be surprised if ALL of them didn't have a negative experience.

JB
 
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

These experiences are nothing like standard New Age stuff. I didn't mean to imply that at all.

While they do definitely sometimes have contact with beings/God, I've never read of one of them saying , "I met Buddha." or something like that. It probably happens though, but again it's nothing like standard New Agey stuff in my opinion.

Nor do they come back and start their own religion!

Child experiencers in fact grow up and have the reaction, "Get me to a church." They don't care what kind of a church - they just want a church. (The author was definitely NOT a Christian.)
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interesting, shoeshine. perhaps there is more to the phenomena. i'll try to keep an open mind. did your friend fight the "dark figures" ??

best,

surfer:)
 
Quote from Turok:

>Also, as I said 15% of NDErs have a very
>negative experience.

I'd be surprised if ALL of them didn't have a negative experience.

JB
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From what I've read for most it is mostly a profound and "positive" experience. Many no longer fear death. Child experiencers generally have long lasting careers, long lasting marriages and high church attendance compared to the general population.
 
Quote from marketsurfer:

interesting, shoeshine. perhaps there is more to the phenomena. i'll try to keep an open mind. did your friend fight the "dark figures" ??

best,

surfer:)
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Nope - there was no fighting it. It was the classic dark figures leading someone downward into "the pit". Again, this was terrifying for her because she was a Christian.

According to one researcher, those who have a lot of fear regarding the afterlife are much more likely to have a negative NDE experience. If that's true, that potentially supports my hypothesis that the first part of the NDE experience is preset archetypal subconscious and/or spiritual imagery...

But I can tell you that if I had told this person what I just wrote, she would have been very offended and would absolutely have insisted it was real!
 
Me:
>I'd be surprised if ALL of them didn't have a
>negative experience.

Shoe:
>From what I've read for most it is mostly
>a profound and "positive" experience

It was a play on words relating to the fact that they had been near death...not someplace we usually wish to spend much time.

And on the serious side, I would somewhat expect people who have been near death to have fuller lives then others whence returned. I think even being closely involved in someone elses death can inspire one regarding what is important in life.

JB
 
One nice thing about NDE research: the researchers are generally very qualified and to me seem honest about (as far as one can tell) in revealing weaknesses.

Example: one researcher admitted the ketamine results freely but then showed why he/she thought it did not invalidate the research he/she had done. To me it seems very nonsensational, but then I'm not a materialist...
 
Quote from Turok:

Me:
>I'd be surprised if ALL of them didn't have a
>negative experience.

Shoe:
>From what I've read for most it is mostly
>a profound and "positive" experience

It was a play on words relating to the fact that they had been near death...not someplace we usually wish to spend much time.

And on the serious side, I would somewhat expect people who have been near death to have fuller lives then others whence returned. I think even being closely involved in someone elses death can inspire one regarding what is important in life.

JB
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True. Of course I'm sure that plays a significant factor. Near death for anyone is a "wake up call".

But the impressions I get is that the NDE experience is the prime mover...
 
>But the impressions I get is that the NDE experience
>is the prime mover...

I was intimately involved in a friends death a few years ago. After a bit of paralysis, believe me...it was a prime mover.

JB
 
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