Nba Playoff Time
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You must be confused, as I did not say the Bible is irrational.
I said that when people take the Bible, or any other scripture, and try to make arguments of a universally applied truth on the foundation of their personal interpretation and understanding of said scripture, that they are not reasoning from something that is open to discussion, they are arguing from their own personal faith, which is an irrational process when it comes to discussions or debate, simply because it is an argument from authority that is not logically derived as authoritative...it is derived from faith, not logic.
I am not saying you are wrong in your beliefs, or that your beliefs are irrational, or that the Bible is irrational...I am saying that pulling the "The Bible told me so" in a forum like this is irrational, as there is no reasoning process involved, since the position of "The Bible told me so" is founded on personal faith.
Debating personal faith with someone else who perhaps doesn't have the same personal faith, in an attempt to state some truth that would apply to athletic competition and the nature of the human mind, is an irrational process.
I said that when people take the Bible, or any other scripture, and try to make arguments of a universally applied truth on the foundation of their personal interpretation and understanding of said scripture, that they are not reasoning from something that is open to discussion, they are arguing from their own personal faith, which is an irrational process when it comes to discussions or debate, simply because it is an argument from authority that is not logically derived as authoritative...it is derived from faith, not logic.
I am not saying you are wrong in your beliefs, or that your beliefs are irrational, or that the Bible is irrational...I am saying that pulling the "The Bible told me so" in a forum like this is irrational, as there is no reasoning process involved, since the position of "The Bible told me so" is founded on personal faith.
Debating personal faith with someone else who perhaps doesn't have the same personal faith, in an attempt to state some truth that would apply to athletic competition and the nature of the human mind, is an irrational process.
Ok. Accept my apology for falsely attributing something to you.
I do think that the bible is quite rational , however, and not something that simply requires faith to accept every jot and tittle. It gives a long, long series of if-then propositions that make common sense, at least to me. This is in contradiction to many so called scientific precepts that simply say something happened without any first cause. Such as the beginning of the universe, for instance. Inorganic matter springing to life, for another. It is not logical to me to say random events caused these things. If logic is not if-then, it is nothing. I am not saying you believe these things, but just that the so called scientific process has its own flaws.
I leave you with a link to John Wooden's pyramid of success, which has nothing resembling a smoldering anger included.
http://salem.k12.va.us/shs/moore/johnwoodensuccess.html
Still failing to understand the smoldering anger of losing?
You really don't understand what can drive an athlete to greatness, do you...
Wait, you do understand...
"The Bible told you so."
If there is no pain in losing, no anger and hurt in losing...no agony of defeat...there is no thrill of victory.
Oh, and Bill Walton praises Coach's pyramid, but that has nothing to do with the past, present, and future agony he suffers from defeat...
p.s. Common sense does not require a reading of the Bible. If you think the Bible is common sense, that is your personal belief, but not everyone thinks the same way.
Common sense is something common to all, that is why it is common...
You really don't understand what can drive an athlete to greatness, do you...
Wait, you do understand...
"The Bible told you so."
If there is no pain in losing, no anger and hurt in losing...no agony of defeat...there is no thrill of victory.
Oh, and Bill Walton praises Coach's pyramid, but that has nothing to do with the past, present, and future agony he suffers from defeat...
p.s. Common sense does not require a reading of the Bible. If you think the Bible is common sense, that is your personal belief, but not everyone thinks the same way.
Common sense is something common to all, that is why it is common...
hahaha zzzzzzzz you make the best arguments ever.
Congrats to LeBron, since the lambasting by the press, and former NBA stars, he has stepped up big time.
Very manly. I think his conversation with his buddy Wade helped him a lot.
Anyone want that whiny little bitch Kobe rather than LeBron?
LOL!
Very manly. I think his conversation with his buddy Wade helped him a lot.
Anyone want that whiny little bitch Kobe rather than LeBron?
LOL!
What a game!! Great night to be a Cavs fan!
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1. LeBron's ongoing, Skywalker-esque struggle between positioning himself as the self-proclaimed "Global Icon" and actually earning that title on the basketball court. Allow me to make the following points:
(A) He's the greatest young player since Magic Johnson. It's impossible what he's doing right now -- he can throw up a 26-7-7 every night in the playoffs on cruise control. This needs to be mentioned constantly. I would never argue otherwise.
(B) His all-encompassing domination of Game 3 put him on another level as a basketball player -- for the first time, he shifted into MJ/Bird/Magic "there's no f'ing way I'm letting us lose this game" mode and unleashed all of his considerable talents in a big game at the same time. In Games 3 and 4 he was clearly in fifth gear for every minute of both games. Which is where he needs to be. All the time.
(C) Hence, the problem: The best young player in the league has gears already. Great players shouldn't have gears. When Barkley and Magic complain about LeBron on TNT, it's not because they're jealous, it's because other great players take it personally when they feel like someone isn't tapping into their considerable potential.
To be fair, LeBron is only 22 and has already dealt with more hype/pressure/responsibilities/publicity/expectations than any under-22 guy in the history of this league. Unlike someone like Wade (who has a permanent chip on his shoulder after the 2003 draft) or Kobe (who's singularly possessed), everyone's been telling LeBron how great he is since he was 15. He's been the savior in Cleveland since he was 18. He's been considered an elite superstar since he was 19. When you think about it, he's never really had to earn anything. It's like watching a ballyhooed young tennis player (think Andy Roddick or Andre Agassi) enjoying the fruits of his labor even though the labor hasn't been done yet. You know what happens to those guys? Half the time, they self-destruct. That's why it's so dangerous that LeBron is playing with a stick-shift already.
Along those same lines, here's a fascinating observation from Brian Windhorst, who's spent the last couple of years covering LeBron:
"Sometimes when you talk to LeBron before games you can tell he's charged; it happened a handful of times this season. The best I can remember was before the game in L.A. when he killed the Lakers. I have also written and told many people when they ask me about what LeBron is truly like that he can be moody. In Game 3 [of the Detroit series], he was in the mood to kick tail. It was the mood Michael Jordan permanently existed in."
That's the issue. Right there. Every true basketball fan doesn't want LeBron floating in and out of that mood. We want him to permanently exist there. That's why so many basketball fans find themselves abnormally frustrated by him (including myself); when you see someone with a chance to be great, you hope they take that gift seriously and care only about that gift. It's selfish of us to think that way -- after all, who are we to tell someone how to carry himself on a daily basis? -- but that's the price of the player/fan relationship. LeBron gets the spoils (fame, money, adulation), we get the right to cheer him and bitch about him and discuss him until we're blue in the face.
The fact remains, No. 23 happens to be the only interesting thing about this painfully disjointed Pistons-Cavs series. The coaches stink, the players aren't that good, the styles don't mesh ⦠maybe the intensity has been there, but you could say the same about a WNBA game, for cripes sake. Like many others, I'm looking forward to Game 5 solely because of LeBron. Like many others, I want him to shift into fifth gear, hush the crowd, rip Detroit's heart out and make the Vivid Video face after everything's said and done. Like many others, I will be disappointed if this doesn't happen.
And hey, maybe it's scary for the NBA's future that we're collectively hoping the best young player in three decades finds the right mood for a must-win game, but as my stepfather would say, "I guess it's better than a poke in the eye with a stick."
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/blog/index?name=simmons&entryDate=20070531
(A) He's the greatest young player since Magic Johnson. It's impossible what he's doing right now -- he can throw up a 26-7-7 every night in the playoffs on cruise control. This needs to be mentioned constantly. I would never argue otherwise.
(B) His all-encompassing domination of Game 3 put him on another level as a basketball player -- for the first time, he shifted into MJ/Bird/Magic "there's no f'ing way I'm letting us lose this game" mode and unleashed all of his considerable talents in a big game at the same time. In Games 3 and 4 he was clearly in fifth gear for every minute of both games. Which is where he needs to be. All the time.
(C) Hence, the problem: The best young player in the league has gears already. Great players shouldn't have gears. When Barkley and Magic complain about LeBron on TNT, it's not because they're jealous, it's because other great players take it personally when they feel like someone isn't tapping into their considerable potential.
To be fair, LeBron is only 22 and has already dealt with more hype/pressure/responsibilities/publicity/expectations than any under-22 guy in the history of this league. Unlike someone like Wade (who has a permanent chip on his shoulder after the 2003 draft) or Kobe (who's singularly possessed), everyone's been telling LeBron how great he is since he was 15. He's been the savior in Cleveland since he was 18. He's been considered an elite superstar since he was 19. When you think about it, he's never really had to earn anything. It's like watching a ballyhooed young tennis player (think Andy Roddick or Andre Agassi) enjoying the fruits of his labor even though the labor hasn't been done yet. You know what happens to those guys? Half the time, they self-destruct. That's why it's so dangerous that LeBron is playing with a stick-shift already.
Along those same lines, here's a fascinating observation from Brian Windhorst, who's spent the last couple of years covering LeBron:
"Sometimes when you talk to LeBron before games you can tell he's charged; it happened a handful of times this season. The best I can remember was before the game in L.A. when he killed the Lakers. I have also written and told many people when they ask me about what LeBron is truly like that he can be moody. In Game 3 [of the Detroit series], he was in the mood to kick tail. It was the mood Michael Jordan permanently existed in."
That's the issue. Right there. Every true basketball fan doesn't want LeBron floating in and out of that mood. We want him to permanently exist there. That's why so many basketball fans find themselves abnormally frustrated by him (including myself); when you see someone with a chance to be great, you hope they take that gift seriously and care only about that gift. It's selfish of us to think that way -- after all, who are we to tell someone how to carry himself on a daily basis? -- but that's the price of the player/fan relationship. LeBron gets the spoils (fame, money, adulation), we get the right to cheer him and bitch about him and discuss him until we're blue in the face.
The fact remains, No. 23 happens to be the only interesting thing about this painfully disjointed Pistons-Cavs series. The coaches stink, the players aren't that good, the styles don't mesh ⦠maybe the intensity has been there, but you could say the same about a WNBA game, for cripes sake. Like many others, I'm looking forward to Game 5 solely because of LeBron. Like many others, I want him to shift into fifth gear, hush the crowd, rip Detroit's heart out and make the Vivid Video face after everything's said and done. Like many others, I will be disappointed if this doesn't happen.
And hey, maybe it's scary for the NBA's future that we're collectively hoping the best young player in three decades finds the right mood for a must-win game, but as my stepfather would say, "I guess it's better than a poke in the eye with a stick."
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/blog/index?name=simmons&entryDate=20070531
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What a game!! Great night to be a Cavs fan!
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the best game so far this season....the guy scored 25 of the last 29 points..what an amazing put a team on ur shoulder and run with it display of talent....TM DIRECT this not only answers your should he pass or not question , but it should also give us a glimpse of what is yet to come...NO he shouldnt pass....