National Emergency

UsualName said:
My take is Trump has no idea what he will do or say tonight because he is in an untenable situation of his own doing.

If there is any way out of this it is for him to declare an emergency order that will most likely fail so he can reopen government and take the actual loss later.

There is no way democrats are giving him a wall, especially based on a tantrum. If he wants to get a wall he will have to give the democrats something very big, like an increase I. The social security tax for incomes over a million dollars or significant student loan reduction—— something big.
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You can bet he's going to have (prepared by his staff) a fact sheet a mile long with strong emphasis on drug overdoses, human trafficking, cartels, etc. There will be lots of gory details for dramatic effect.
 
gwb-trading said:
Keep in mind that international wire transfers (via Western Union, etc.) used to be taxed per transfer. It would be easy to re-impose this tax. This is the most likely path to "make Mexico pay for the wall".
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Seriously, now you guys are thinking. If only the Trump administration were thinking now.
 
UsualName said:
My take is Trump has no idea what he will do or say tonight because he is in an untenable situation of his own doing.

If there is any way out of this it is for him to declare an emergency order that will most likely fail so he can reopen government and take the actual loss later.

There is no way democrats are giving him a wall, especially based on a tantrum. If he wants to get a wall he will have to give the democrats something very big, like an increase I. The social security tax for incomes over a million dollars or significant student loan reduction—— something big.
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agreed. Your analysis is sane and realistic, in my opinion.
 
UsualName said:
What Trump should do is offer something Democrats actually want in exchange for a border wall, something they do not want.

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What you mean to say is that Trump should offer the democrats something unrelated to border security, which they do not want.

If you take the wall out of the picture and open the borders, that works for your ilk. In no way is it just about the wall.

Oh, I see, if you pay by offering unrelated increases in social security or student loan reduction you can get them to care about border security. Ahhhh, I don't think so.
 
vanzandt said:
You can bet he's going to have (prepared by his staff) a fact sheet a mile long with strong emphasis on drug overdoses, human trafficking, cartels, etc. There will be lots of gory details for dramatic effect.
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No one except his flock of sheep will believe any of it. Trump has no credibility left after a record of continuous lying and fictitious facts made up on the spur of the moment, or occasionally true facts misapplied to something unrelated.

Consider Trump's '4000 terrorists' caught, repeated by that dimwit Sarah Huckabee Sanders. No mention, of course, of the time period , where they were caught, or whether they were confirmed as having participated in a terrorist incident (virtually none) or suspected of being terrorist sympathizers or of having belonged to an organization that sympathizes or supports terrorists (virtually all). In actual fact, zero to six, such persons have been identified as having attempted to enter through the southern border, depending on the time period applied. More of those alleged 4000 have been apprehended at the Northern border than the Southern!, and many many more than that still at airports, not necessarily airports on U.S. territory. If it makes sense to build a wall to stop these terrorists, which it doesn't, then it might make more sense to build a wall along the Canadian border.

Shall we ask Canada, therefore, to pay for a wall that we build along our Northern border? I don't wonder how the citizens in Buffalo would like to look toward Niagara and instead of a magnificent water fall see an ugly wall topped with razor wire. And I don't wonder whether the Canadians will agree to pay for it. And I don't wonder how our citizen land owners along our Southern border would like to see a similar ugly wall stretching thousands of miles between their homes and the Rio Grande.

If we are going to build any wall at all, let's build it 30 feet high topped with razor wire around Mar a Lago. I will definitely contribute to any go fund me campaign to pay for such a wall. It would be such a pleasure to know the fat cats, Trump's buddies, the ones he put in charge of the VA who regularly hang out at Mar a Lago, are walled off, so those actually trying to make the VA work can be protected from them.

Lets just get a grip here and call Trump what he is, a dangerous con artist, a lying lunatic, and an uninformed dummy!
 
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TreeFrogTrader said:
What you mean to say is that Trump should offer the democrats something unrelated to border security, which they do not want.

If you take the wall out of the picture and open the borders, that works for your ilk. In no way is it just about the wall.

Oh, I see, if you pay by offering unrelated increases in social security or student loan reduction you can get them to care about border security. Ahhhh, I don't think so.
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This situation has gone way beyond your circular logic. The reality of a wall being funded is far away it might as well be Pluto.

Putting a wall across the southern border is not popular among Americans, it’s not an agenda item for democrats. Trump is throwing Hail Marys at this point because republicans are defecting in congress.

Now why would democrats care about something that is not necessary and a waste of money? To help Trump fulfill a campaign promise? Keep dreaming. He is going to have to give up something really big to get serious consideration from democrats.

Trump cares because he made this promise to the base. His first obstacle is “Mexico has to pay for it.” You were right about developing a funding scheme whether wire transfers or some other way for viable funding and that’s just to make it viable.

Anyway, as usual our dear leader is leading with his ass. This publicity stunt has very little upside and we all know Trump has the ability for downside.

Untenable.
 
what was your view on Obama's executive orders?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_actions_by_Barack_Obama

here there seems to be a 644... which is more than I read previously...

But I would like to know your opinion about his executive order related to the political disagreements of Obamacare and immigration.






piezoe said:
Not only that, but Trump's call for a national emergency will be in District Court in the blinking of an eye, relatively speaking. Immediately following his official declaration, an injunction will be sought and granted. The case will wend its way through the circuit court and land at the Supreme Court, all at light speed. After oral arguments, it won't take the Court long to draft its unanimous, 9-0, opinion. Political disagreements must be resolved via the legislative process. They may not be resolved by declaration of an emergency, particularly without any emergency having been demonstrated. Left with out options, Trump will propound another lie-excuse, and the government will be up and operating. We are likely looking at two weeks at the most.

Importantly, this "Wall" fiasco will mark the beginning of the end of our true national emergency. Trump and his ragtag administration, by now down to rejects, will emerge totally and irreparably emasculated. Whether Trump is left where he is, for political reasons, or removed, will depend on both parties, not just republicans. And in any case nothing will be done until after the Mueller Report.

As soon as the Mueller report is out , and the lying, blaming, and gnashing of teeth subsides, things will move quickly back to normal. The absurd tariff-wall-caravan-terrorist nonsense will be over. Market volatility will move to normal, and life on main street will return to "Honey I'm Home, What's for dinner."

We'll have had our little fling with, "best way to fix somth'n not entirely broke, y'all, is to burn it down, I reckon." It's been instructive in that we learned we don't want to do that again. And we will have used a time honored method to get rid of any fool. Just give them enough rope, be patient, and they'll hang themselves!

There can be only one true question remaining to be answered, and that is, "Does Sarah Huckabee Sanders's history include a lobotomy that her family has tried to covered up?" -- if so, the cover-up has not been entirely successful.
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UsualName said:
This situation has gone way beyond your circular logic. The reality of a wall being funded is far away it might as well be Pluto.

Putting a wall across the southern border is not popular among Americans, it’s not an agenda item for democrats. Trump is throwing Hail Marys at this point because republicans are defecting in congress.

Now why would democrats care about something that is not necessary and a waste of money? To help Trump fulfill a campaign promise? Keep dreaming. He is going to have to give up something really big to get serious consideration from democrats.

Trump cares because he made this promise to the base. His first obstacle is “Mexico has to pay for it.” You were right about developing a funding scheme whether wire transfers or some other way for viable funding and that’s just to make it viable.

Anyway, as usual our dear leader is leading with his ass. This publicity stunt has very little upside and we all know Trump has the ability for downside.

Untenable.
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Crabwalk.

Viewers can look to see where you addressed the issue of what dems DO WANT to enhance border security if it is just an issue with the wall.

Hint for viewers: Don't look too hard. It isn't there. Yeh, shocking- I know.
 
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