Nassim Taleb on Charlie Rose: "Massive Deflation Nightmare, Roubini Too Bullish"

Quote from Now is Now:

Richrf,

Greed did them in but good.

There are a number reasons why the dollar strengthened including the obvious, but what is not so obvious was that the Eastern bloc borrowed dollars ,, weak and weakening at the time, to invest in their respective countries and when it came to paying the interest and principal on their failing investments they all rushed simultaneously to cover their liabilities by having to sell their weakening currency to buy US dollars.

The end result... some of these countries will have to ultimately devalue their currency; thereby strengthening the US dollar further..

This has also happened in Europe and South East Asia to lesser extent.

hmmm... exactly the southeast asian crises of 98.

Indonesian rupiah went from like 2500 -> 16800 and is still 10000 to a dollar. All because of US dollar loans gone bad and unpayable.
 
Quote from richrf:

Not when the whole world is inflating. In case you haven't noticed, the dollar is much stronger. Why? Because everyone is in worse shape than use, because they bought those junk CDS and CDOs from us. We did them in but good.

Which is exactly why gold and other commodities are such a good bet. Everyone is printing so much money, its tough to know whose will be worth the most when this story is all played out.

The markets have liked gold lately... look at it against euro/etc... Its nearly at all time highs.
 
Quote from scriabinop23:

Which is exactly why gold and other commodities are such a good bet. Everyone is printing so much money, its tough to know whose will be worth the most when this story is all played out.

The markets have liked gold lately... look at it against euro/etc... Its nearly at all time highs.

Could be, but I don't expect inflation any time soon, since money velocity has gone south. We'll be lucky if we have inflation.

Printing money does not equal inflation, if there is no velocity caused by manic consumer spending. In time, it may come, but gold may underperform equities over the next couple of years. If the Feds start deleveraging, once inflation starts picking up again, it will be tough on gold. But who knows what will happen?
 
Taleb scenario of massive deflation is a true possibility, the sample size we have of after math of bubbles in developed economies is not big and plenty of it is bad. bernanke says inflation is always possible but hes wrong pretty often, it could take absurd fed moves to counter the credit collapse
 
Quote from tradersboredom:

Deflation is always temporary. the gov't won't allow deflatio n because it would mean job losses===less taxes causing economic instability and riots. etc. from economic decline. lower asset value==less taxes...

in the long run real inflation is what matters. there is no inflation if incomes rise or inflation is resulting from increase growth or productivity with price increases.

above is incorrect. people don't live in the long run.
there are people who are on fixed incomes who will be murdered by inflation. if there is rapid inflation people don't know what prices are supposed to be.
why don't you talk to people from argentina and brazil? ask them what it is like to live under rapid inflation. do a google search and find the answer .
 
Quote from zdreg:

above is incorrect. people don't live in the long run.
there are people who are on fixed incomes who will be murdered by inflation. if there is rapid inflation people don't know what prices are supposed to be.
why don't you talk to people from argentina and brazil? ask them what it is like to live under rapid inflation. do a google search and find the answer .

No one wants out of control inflation. We are arguing the reality based on the assumption the fed is always behind the curve.

But fed mandate is 2% trend inflation for a reason. It keeps everyone happy (except people who refuse to invest and who have no assets). Prices are going up slowly, investors are rewarded, tax revenues stay up, employment stays up.
 
Quote from psytrade:

what about the bubble in treasuries- what did Taleb have to say about that?

If he is advocating deflation, then its not a bubble according to him.
 
Quote from scriabinop23:

No one wants out of control inflation. We are arguing the reality based on the assumption the fed is always behind the curve.

But fed mandate is 2% trend inflation for a reason. It keeps everyone happy (except people who refuse to invest and who have no assets). Prices are going up slowly, investors are rewarded, tax revenues stay up, employment stays up.

2% money supply growth is not a fed mandate.. The central bank in the US has a duel mandate to maintain employment with
price stability.
when the two conflict and the politicians howl the mandate of price stability flies out the window. central banks who get involved with employment always end up with severe inflation in sharp downturns.. the 2 goals are incompatible.
 
Back
Top