NASA Scientist - Universe seems hardwired to produce life

[jem]

Time is part of our universe
Outside of our universe there may be no time or different time.
Therefore there may be know before or after.
Therefore a Creator need not be created.

As we do more science I suspect we will see its all about Light.

Yes, that's just the way we started out. The first thing we were taught was, "In the beginning was God, and the word was with God and the first thing he ever said was let there be light and it all started from there. So if you want to get really smart you have to ask us what was it like before God existed? Too much for our small little brains. It's hard enough to imagine him, let alone what life would be like without Him. Not sure why you take such offense with people who find simple day to day comfort in their superstition. Something doesn't smell right.

 

[jem]

Science discusses the fact that our universe appears to be extremely fine tuned.
1. The vast majority of scientists will tell you the standard model of physics is extremely fine tuned. One of the constants is tuned to over 120 decimal places. a slight change at the 120 decimal point and the universe collapses on itself or expands and breaks apart. If there is only one universe... there is no way we got that lucky. Thats the physics of it.

2. This is the biology of it. a. science does not have a plausible pathway from non life to life. b. it seems there probably was not enough time for lucky combinations to happen. c. some scientists like the OP say that the drive for life was built into the building blocks. (how did it get there? )

I have provided 100s of quotes from top scientists supporting above... sometimes with the science of it. On many threads here.



3. Therefore... The 1950s idea that this all got here by random chance is just about dead.

Science has developed the idea that there may be almost infinite universe to explain this fine tuning. Which takes as much faith as a creator... at the moment.

How anyone can discuss the bible and God with a straight face in today's age is beyond me.
God is not abstract or unknown.
It's simply an anthropomorphization of the Sun.

Think about it.

You can see and feel the Sun.
The Sun brings light and warmth and food.
Without it we would all die.

How anyone can worship something else is insanity.

Don't ask silly questions like 'well how did the Sun get there? ' because you invite only silly responses.

 

[jem]

you told me to look him up. I did. his quotation max planck quote was very interesting.

But what if Tom Campbell is a believable lunatic?

 

[Fractals 'R Us]

Jeez, we have these idiots coming here with "the science is settled" attitudes but we have obvious things like the moon appearing as exactly the same size as the sun and that being considered to be the greatest coincidence possible... so great that it can't be coincidence.. I guess we're supposed to just put up with these idiots and get a laugh? They bore me to tears...

 

[Piptaker]

A far more sensible description of the double slit experiment would be this.

The video didn't address the elephant in the room which is the act of observing and not observing the experiment, personally I think the bigger question is does the measuring device affect the result?

 

[stu]

Yes, that's just the way we started out. The first thing we were taught was, "In the beginning was God, and the word was with God and the first thing he ever said was let there be light and it all started from there. So if you want to get really smart you have to ask us what was it like before God existed? Too much for our small little brains. It's hard enough to imagine him, let alone what life would be like without Him. Not sure why you take such offense with people who find simple day to day comfort in their superstition. Something doesn't smell right.

Why do you think I take offense? That you find comfort from superstition is fine. It's a sad failure of human reasoning, but perfectly ok by me.
When you try to rationalize it in unreasonable ways, or attempt to elevate it to the level of science, that's where I take issue.
Why would you criticize me for doing that?

 

[stu]

Time is part of our universe
Outside of our universe there may be no time or different time.
Therefore there may be know before or after.
Therefore a Creator need not be created.

Let me try that.
Outside the universe, is still the universe, time or no time, whether no before or no after. The universe is everything there is.
Therefore a universe need not be created.

One of the constants is tuned to over 120 decimal places. a slight change at the 120 decimal point and the universe collapses on itself or expands and breaks apart.

At 120 decimal points, it must also appear out of tune by a slight amount
A universe by cosmic mistake then. Or what you might call 'random chance'.

science does not have a plausible pathway from non life to life.

....and yet , all the time there are existing and new naturalistic explanations for plausible pathways. Weird that, as they are so easy to find should one look.
But put simply, natural chemical reaction is plausible, while supernatural magic and woo is not.

 

[stu]

The video didn't address the elephant in the room which is the act of observing and not observing the experiment, personally I think the bigger question is does the measuring device affect the result?

It seems observing does affect the result. Perhaps not really surprising, as observing or interacting with photons must fundamentally interfere with them.
I think you'll find observing to determine which slit the photons pass through will localize them and so produce the double bar pattern. Observing after it has passed through without observing which slit, results in the interference pattern.

 

[ETcallhome]

nowadays, At least on the Science channel (I get all my knowledge from tv) they usually refer to the "Universe" as only that which was created as a result of the big bang. Something about our laws of physics break down before that point. So, there could be other universes. Or Big Bangs could be occuring every instant somewhere creating new universes which have their own laws of physics.

 

[Snarkhund]

We've started to develop some understanding of black holes and have begun to find some spectacularly large ones (100+ billion solar masses).

All the math says we should be encountering "white holes" as well but we haven't even given that they would be far easier to detect than distant black holes.

Now there are theories that when a black hole reaches some upper limit of mass it spews out mass (as pure energy) into a new space (a new universe) in the form of a white hole. It could be that the "big bang" was a white hole. I like the idea because it suggests a perpetual oscillatory system .