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My Solution To Muslim Problem
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I propose that states differentiate between Mohammed and the Koran, stating, for the record, that there is no reason to believe that Mohammed wrote the Koran. There is plenty of evidence to suggest he did not. States could then suggest Mohammed was as benevolent as anyone wishes/believes him to be, as it pertains to immigration admission. However, Congress could then condemn the Koran as it represents a foreign constitution explicitly advocating sedition by all means, including violence. This is not a knock on Mohammed at all, you see, because Mohammed did not write the Koran. This way, Muslims can have their cake. No one is insulting their prophet. Now, the Koran can be used as part of the extreme vetting to keep the extremists out. An extremist would be anyone who insists Mohammed wrote the Koran. Also, an extremist could be someone who will not, on camera, rip out those passages of the Koran that represent sedition, spit on the ripped out passages, and throw them into a symbolic fire. The applicant will have to find all the relevant passages themselves, ripping them all out, or else no admission into the United States. I would include all those passages that make threats to any other people(s), or hold out Muslims as a supremacist group.
Most western countries governments like Britain really don't see Islam as a problem though, islamic schools and sharia are continuing to flourish
was verbally revealed by God to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel (Jibril),[6][7] gradually over a period of approximately 23 years, beginning on 22 December 609 CE,[8] when Muhammad was 40, and concluding in 632, the year of his death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran
The Quran (/kɔːrˈɑːn/[a] kor-AHN; Arabic: القرآن al-Qurʾān,[bb] literally meaning "the recitation"; also romanized Qur'an or Koran[c]) is the central religious text of Islam, which Muslims believe to be a revelation from God (Allah).[1] It is widely regarded as the finest work in classical Arabic literature.[2][3][4][5] The Quran is divided into chapters (surah in Arabic), which are then divided into verses (ayah).
Muslims believe that the Quran was verbally revealed by God to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel (Jibril),[6][7] gradually over a period of approximately 23 years, beginning on 22 December 609 CE,[8] when Muhammad was 40, and concluding in 632, the year of his death.[1][9][10] Muslims regard the Quran as the most important miracle of Muhammad, a proof of his prophethood,[11] and the culmination of a series of divine messages that started with the messages revealed to Adam and ended with Muhammad. The word "Quran" occurs some 70 times in the text of the Quran, although different names and words are also said to be references to the Quran.[12]
was verbally revealed by God to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel (Jibril),[6][7] gradually over a period of approximately 23 years, beginning on 22 December 609 CE,[8] when Muhammad was 40, and concluding in 632, the year of his death.
My guess is there should be an Official Print (OP) published by the UN for the holy books of the major faiths!
The OP should add some Critical Comments (CC) provided by a committee of worldwide scholars and faith leaders.
The CC should concentrate on merely some obviously illogical, impossible, impractical, misleading, harmful, and delusional verses, if any (see below), through not only explaining their rational, logical, scientific and evidence-based reasons, but also asking life-time personal research and investigation to be further carried out cautiously and seriously by readers.
The total number of CC should be kept to an absolute minimum. Quality is more important than quantity.
Ideally, an interfaith concept of God, after considering contemporary philosophical development such as Stoicism, would be also introduced/ mentioned primitively.
Initially, all public places such as airport, public schools, prisons, hotels, government-funded libraries/ museums/ universities/ etc, etc. should be only allowed to use this OP.
Otherwise, individuals can buy a copy of the OP from general bookshops or Amazon.com.
In the long run, world governments should be able to stimulate/ motivate most preachers to use this OP of their faith in their worship places.
Perhaps should have been done long time ago. Never too late!
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* "And If They Drink Any Deadly Thing, It Shall Not Hurt Them
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The Scripture regarding poison and snakes was in the context of Jesus sending out the Apostles to do his work. He was not saying that they should drink poison or handle snakes for their amusement, to entertain others, or even to demonstrate their supposed faith. There is no evidence that the Apostles ever deliberately ...
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Most western countries governments like Britain really don't see Islam as a problem though, islamic schools and sharia are continuing to flourish
For those nations, not yet conquered, who are willing to face the rash of data regarding the exploitation of soft targets by book-inspired warriors:
"Islam" is a vague word. 'Koran' is more specific (although text can often be interpreted different ways).
Separating Mohammed from the Koran, the book can be looked at more critically, especially the parts that advocate for continual world-wide war until total domination by (submission to) a supremacist class of overlords.
I'm trying to remember the source that suggested Mohammed may NOT have written the book...that it may have been constructed in a dark age when it was hard to check facts/sources.
A google search of "Did Mohammed write the Koran?" immediately yields information about his illiteracy. But its more than that. There was a long period of oral tradition where someone (who?) eventually wrote down what served his/their own agenda.
It could have been Mohammed was harmless, attacking no one, only to have his legend completely hijacked.
was verbally revealed by God to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel (Jibril),[6][7] gradually over a period of approximately 23 years, beginning on 22 December 609 CE,[8] when Muhammad was 40, and concluding in 632, the year of his death.
That's a claim anyone could have made in constructing the Koran post-legend.
Possibly there may have been a desert nomad who felt he was communicating with an angel, but what does an angel say to an illiterate nomad? Who knows!
But anyone with an agenda, and a pen, can later, over the course of a hundred years, put words in the mouth of an "angel", as well as words in the mouth of a "prophet".
Not like it hadn't happened before. Personally, i would not credit Jesus with much more than 5% of the red letters of the "new testament" part of the Judeo-Christian collection of god-lore.
The raids described in the Koran may have been centuries old tales of tribal warfare, where the name Mohammed is inserted as the leader.
My guess is there should be an Official Print (OP) published by the UN for the holy books of the major faiths!
The OP should add some Critical Comments (CC) provided by a committee of worldwide scholars and faith leaders.
The CC should concentrate on merely some obviously illogical, impossible, impractical, misleading, harmful, and delusional verses, if any (see below), through not only explaining their rational, logical, scientific and evidence-based reasons, but also asking life-time personal research and investigation to be further carried out cautiously and seriously by readers.
The total number of CC should be kept to an absolute minimum. Quality is more important than quantity.
Ideally, an interfaith concept of God, after considering contemporary philosophical development such as Stoicism, would be also introduced/ mentioned primitively.
Initially, all public places such as airport, public schools, prisons, hotels, government-funded libraries/ museums/ universities/ etc, etc. should be only allowed to use this OP.
Otherwise, individuals can buy a copy of the OP from general bookshops or Amazon.com.
In the long run, world governments should be able to stimulate/ motivate most preachers to use this OP of their faith in their worship places.
Perhaps should have been done long time ago. Never too late!
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I think this kind of criticism would become more common in a state that has already put out a treatise on why Mohammed is not associated with the Koran at all...having nothing to do with it. I don't think this kind of statement would be baseless propaganda. I think there is a good, solid argument for it, that stays out of the weeds of the content.
Once Mohammed is dissociated from the book, the book can be legislatively treated as the weapon that it is. That could mean a state issued version, purged of the most offending passages. Anyone not availing themselves (if they call themselves Muslims) of the purged version, will simply reveal themselves as an enemy combatant.
After Muhammad would receive revelations he would later recite it to his companions, who also memorized it or wrote it down. Before the Quran was commonly available in written form, speaking it from memory prevailed as the mode of teaching it to others. The practice of memorizing the whole Quran is still practiced among Muslims. Millions of people have memorized the entire Quran in its original Arabic. This fact, taken in the context of 7th-century Arabia, was not an extraordinary feat. People of that time had a penchant for recited poetry and had developed their skills in memorization to a remarkable degree. Events and competitions that featured the recitation of elaborate poetry were of great interest.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Quran
Muhammad
The society during the time of Muhammad was predominantly oral and for this reason he would recite the Quranic verses to his Companions and instruct them to memorize it. Due to this, people question whether the Quran was ever written and collected during the time of Muhammad. While writing was not a common skill during Muhammad’s time, Mecca, being the commercial center, had a number of people who could write. Some scholars believe that up to 48 scribes including Zayd ibn Thabit and Ubay ibn Ka'b recorded verses of the Quran. This provides an explanation as to how the Quran existed in written form during the life of Muhammad, even if it was not compiled into one text.[4]:83
Most Sunni and Shia scholars believe that the Quran was written down in its entirety at the time of Muhammad’s death. Muhammad's cousin Ibn Abbas describes the way in which the final version of the Quran was fixed: "the prophet recited the book before Gabriel every year in the month of Ramadan, and in the month in which he died he recited it before him twice."[9] It is believed that the term "reciting the Quran twice" means compiling all the Quranic revelations into a complete and final version. It is understood that toward the end of Muhammad’s life a special act of revelation occurred in which a final and complete version of the Quran was created. The term 'recite', which is used here, is referring to the custom where a Quranic scholar recites the entire Quran from beginning to end a number of times before a senior scholar. According to this tradition the act of recital is being performed by Muhammad, with angel Gabriel playing the role of superior authority.[10]
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Manuscripts
In the 20th century, the Sana'a manuscript was discovered. It has been dated to 632-671 AD. The manuscript has exactly the same verses and the same order of verses as the standard Qur'an.[81] The order of the suras in the Sana'a codex is different from the order in the standard Qur'an.[82] The manuscript contains some variants to the standard Qur'an, in terms of differences in words, sub-word elements and vowels.
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I'm not sure how a state could draft, for example, a Foreign Constitutions Act, or a Weaponized Literature Authorship Act.
Because the Koran is largely plagiarized from mostly Judeo-Christian literature, it might be hard for a state populated by a large demographic of Jews and Judeo-Christians to tackle the problem head on.
In that case, i predict on-going warfare, for a few more centuries. The reason is because i see the Koran as a military response to the psychological warfare represented by the Judeo-Christian body of literature, a combination of folk-lore and god-lore called the "bible".
It's hard to ignore the world-domination themes set out in the bible. Arriving in Arabia, a few warlords may have recognized the weaponized aspects of the Judeo-Christian "holy books", and decided to weaponize a few books of their own.
Effective, the rest is history.
Because the Koran is largely plagiarized from mostly Judeo-Christian literature, it might be hard for a state populated by a large demographic of Jews and Judeo-Christians to tackle the problem head on.
In that case, i predict on-going warfare, for a few more centuries. The reason is because i see the Koran as a military response to the psychological warfare represented by the Judeo-Christian body of literature, a combination of folk-lore and god-lore called the "bible".
It's hard to ignore the world-domination themes set out in the bible. Arriving in Arabia, a few warlords may have recognized the weaponized aspects of the Judeo-Christian "holy books", and decided to weaponize a few books of their own.
Effective, the rest is history.
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Well if Wikipedia says it, that settles it.
Re: Wikipedia: Let me tell you a story.
There's a guitarist with enough albums out to have his own Wikipedia page. The page tells the story of the development of the guitarists career, who he associated with, when, what the names of the bands were that he associated with. I noticed that the article named just about every other guitar player he associated with, and when...except me. Even it was 37 years ago, people can't get the story right. So i took the liberty to edit the page to rectify what i knew about certain periods, making a reference to an un-named other guitar player, namely, me (worth a few laughs). While i didn't think my name was important, i did think the chronology and the associations were important. Still, the page perpetuates some strange fiction about how far back the current name of the band goes. It's really messed up, even while the subject is still alive and able to edit things himself.
Getting back to Mohammed, it's admitted that a lot of it was devoted to memory. If even for a few years, things can start to go south quickly. We are supposed to believe these people were good at memorizing whole books of great length. Already the tale is stretched. No, i don't believe anything the wiki article tells us.
A state actor, on the other hand, might have some influence on a wiki article, especially if there was a book published describing another, more plausible theory, on how the Koran came about. Given enough published books, a wiki article can be dominated.
I see the Koran as wholly concocted, barely hanging on a thread of a legend (Mohammed), designed as a weapon of war, a constitution, and a flag to be planted in the conquered territories. As such, you aren't necessarily going to have a clear picture of how it originated. Currently, we have something called a "backstory". That's all.
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