My simple, yet profitable trading strategy
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Man Rich, when you say print out, you really mean print out. 
If you are just trying to get a "capture" of the current Yahoo top gainers page, you could just "print" a PDF of them.
http://www.cutepdf.com/
^^ Freeware PDF writer
Also, I'm assuming exchanges that the stocks are traded on is ignored as well? I.e. You still buy stocks on Amex?
If you are just trying to get a "capture" of the current Yahoo top gainers page, you could just "print" a PDF of them.
http://www.cutepdf.com/
^^ Freeware PDF writer
Also, I'm assuming exchanges that the stocks are traded on is ignored as well? I.e. You still buy stocks on Amex?
Buying only 100 shares is useless.
Before you even say it. I know what the discussion is going to be.
Realize this as you look at the data: making $200 profit average per day when you are investing 200,000 is .1% profit.
Some will say that sucks. I say ok fine. Show me a proven, simple method that will yield more than that.
Realize this too. My money is only 25% of the amount invested each day. I am using margin to make money and I am not paying interest on these day positions. I close them out before the end of each day.
PM me if you want to see spreadsheet data for 70 days worth.
It will clarify some questions you might have.
Before you even say it. I know what the discussion is going to be.
Realize this as you look at the data: making $200 profit average per day when you are investing 200,000 is .1% profit.
Some will say that sucks. I say ok fine. Show me a proven, simple method that will yield more than that.
Realize this too. My money is only 25% of the amount invested each day. I am using margin to make money and I am not paying interest on these day positions. I close them out before the end of each day.
PM me if you want to see spreadsheet data for 70 days worth.
It will clarify some questions you might have.
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Man Rich, when you say print out, you really mean print out.
If you are just trying to get a "capture" of the current Yahoo top gainers page, you could just "print" a PDF of them.
Nah, the method will not work unless you use an inkjet printer. This is a very important ingredient of success. The idea is that while you print, it introduces an additional lag between the real time quote and the order time. And if the printer goes "out of paper", that's even better. The power of positive slippage!
Today is turning out to be a great day.
Even NTY is turning positive!
I still can't for the life of me figure out which of these 6 stocks will be the winners and which will be the losers!
For the guy who said you need to look at underlying reasons for the stock popping up early: If I was planning on holding these stocks overnight, yes I would care about that, but I am day trading these stocks only. I don;t care why they are going up, I just want them to continue UP!
Also, If I put stop losses on each stock, I'd give up some big winners. Case in point: VOL (on Jan. 9th)..got in at 50.93. It proceeded to drop to 49.71 around mid day. If I had a stop loss on it, I'd have sold off and took a loss. VOL finished the day at 54.18 for me.
Even NTY is turning positive!
I still can't for the life of me figure out which of these 6 stocks will be the winners and which will be the losers!
For the guy who said you need to look at underlying reasons for the stock popping up early: If I was planning on holding these stocks overnight, yes I would care about that, but I am day trading these stocks only. I don;t care why they are going up, I just want them to continue UP!
Also, If I put stop losses on each stock, I'd give up some big winners. Case in point: VOL (on Jan. 9th)..got in at 50.93. It proceeded to drop to 49.71 around mid day. If I had a stop loss on it, I'd have sold off and took a loss. VOL finished the day at 54.18 for me.
traderich,
Have you looked into splitting your list into % gainers AND % losers? In other words, short the top 3 losers, buy the top 3 gainers? I figure if your long strategy works on a big down day (how did you do yesterday??) then adding a short side might not hurt...I don't know, just what came to mind as I was reading this thread...
Have you looked into splitting your list into % gainers AND % losers? In other words, short the top 3 losers, buy the top 3 gainers? I figure if your long strategy works on a big down day (how did you do yesterday??) then adding a short side might not hurt...I don't know, just what came to mind as I was reading this thread...
TR, ignore the masses who will condemn you for they cannot logically tell you where you have a fallacy. The bull market comment made to you earlier is irrelevant. On occasion, for giggles and what have you, I run a slight slant on what you are now beginning to realize. You and I are talking about the entire market of stocks available to trade (ie. thousands and thousands). But do you know why this is working? The "most active" part is telling you something in that it is identifying those that have an unusual amount of volume. If you check the charts, you will see it. However, you can get into a very interesting paradigm shift by just using price as a percentage. By using relative pricing, you can alot the same amount of capital to each asset. 100K, 20K per asset (ie. top 5 gainers), and then manage your swapping as you watch them run. NOW, here's the slant. If you realtime stream the top gainers much like the nasdaq heat map, you can explicitly see when names swap in and out of this leader board. Invariably, the question arises as to when do you take action? My action is when a new asset's gain surpasses the #5 gainer to simultaneously become the NEW #5 gainer, hence relative price charting. As an illustration, it is like watching the leader board at your favorite nascar race. The leader board at a race changes/shifts periodically. A car (ie. asset) makes its way through the pack all the while having a position (ie. relative price or percent gain/loss) that is monitorable. When a car passes a higher ranking car on the leader board, it simultaneously assumes the new higher rank/position. Conversely, if it is passed by a lower rank car, it loses it's rank.
With any given tradeable market with a significant number of assets, we can do the same exact thing. Every asset is a car that is fighting for position and ultimately YOUR capital. It only makes common sense to be investing your capital in vehicles that are performing which incidently, will be the top ranked cars at all times. As a result, my only job is to be CONTINUALLY monitoring the assets, and swaping out asset vehicles as their rank moves them in and out of the leader board. For me, the starting line is the opening bell (ie. all assets have 0% change in price). This way, I do away with gaps and other phenomenons. As the market unfolds some go negative some go positive. Essentially, it is the gun firing for all assets to make a full out sprint. Unlike in horse racing where you can't change the horse you have chosen to win, I have shifted the paradigm so that I choose the horse that is currently leading the race. At any point in time along the race, should there be a change of leaders, then I swap horses for the newly leading horse.
What it all boils down to is that out of thousands of stock, there is going to be at least one top gun on every single day. Whether you look at the top 1 or the top 5 or the top 10, the point is that all will have performed. With this paradigm, there is no guesswork nor betting. You are just riding shotgun with the leaders. When they stop leading the pack, you stop riding shotgun with them and swap into the new leading vehicle at the exact moment that the change occurs. Nothing in trading prevents us from changing our pick. So why not exercise this. As a result, you are keeping on the tail right side of the winners... Think about this. I'm pretty sure you'll "get it". One day, one of those hedgies will figure it out. No mathematical quant model will tell them this because it has nothing to do with betting or edges. If they took a stochastic interest rate model and graphed a few thousand simulated paths, I would then ask them which one of those paths would they get the highest return? Comparatively, every asset is a realtime simulation path. Choosing the winning path is easy. Most second guess the change for all the usual psychological trading issues. Perhaps this all sounds like fluff. Just tack this post on the wall for later...
Regards,
MAK
I've noticed for some time that winners tend to have outsized gains relative to losers on any given day.
Interesting Rich. Thanks for this interesting methodology.
Caveat - Margin will destroy the best of traders and even investors very quickly in a bear market. DESTROY. You'd better make damn sure we're in a true bull run before you start daytrading on margin.
Interesting Rich. Thanks for this interesting methodology.
Caveat - Margin will destroy the best of traders and even investors very quickly in a bear market. DESTROY. You'd better make damn sure we're in a true bull run before you start daytrading on margin.
Nice comments MAK.
There is a mutual fund "upgrading" system using a similar theory but over longer time-frame. It is called FundX and "upgrades" their portfolio of mutual funds, only buying the "leading funds" and selling when ranking decreases. FundX has an excellent 25 year verified track record...(I have no association with them, but do own shares of their Mutual Fund of Funds: FUNDX)
http://www.fundx.com/spchart.cfm
up $6280 today!
Not a bad day eh?
You've heard the saying "every dog has his day right?"
As MAK said, when that dog has a good day, We will be riding shotgun with it!
Let the winners ride!
This week started off very tough:
Mon: -1800
Tues: 1300
Wed: -1700
Thurs: -1800
Today: +6280
week net:2280
Not a bad day eh?
You've heard the saying "every dog has his day right?"
As MAK said, when that dog has a good day, We will be riding shotgun with it!
Let the winners ride!
This week started off very tough:
Mon: -1800
Tues: 1300
Wed: -1700
Thurs: -1800
Today: +6280
week net:2280
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