My option trades

Quote from falconview:

Don

I ran the dividend stocks gambit. It´s a crap shoot like everything else.

Took ten high paying dividend stocks.

Looked for the two year low. That didn´t work out, no premiums there.

You HAVE to sell one strike OTM to get anything, which makes it a crap shoot.
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oK, once again. The PUTS ARE OUT OF THE MONEY. A strike price below the current price, in puts, is OTM, obviously. If you check a $50 stock, and look at $40 ro $45 puts you'll see premium. If you think you would love to own that stock at $40 because of dividend yield, but it's trading $50, you sell the $40 puts. You will either collect 100% of the premium you sold the puts for, or you will get put the stock at the $40 price.

The stock would have to go below the strike before you have any chance of receiving the stock, which you want to happen, to collect dividend yield or sell it back for a break even or proift and still collect the put premium.

Please review what options are, what they do, the difference between puts and calls before entering any more trades. This is really causing me concern, Captain.

edit: What in the heck are you doing with Stochastics and oscillators and all that irrelevant stuff? Please just understand the basics, please, Make my Day Sir.

Don
 
Quote from atticus:

You're looking for someone to hand you an edge. You have to get price and/or vol correct. Buy a neutral fly in a deferred month if you think vol will fall. Buy a bull vertical (sell a bear) if you think price will rise. Buy a down and out calendar if you think price will drop (index).

You're looking for the best spread/combo in practice, but you've got it backwards. You need to forecast price and/or volatility. You would be the first guy successfully using stochastics, so stop that shit.
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....atticus, are you saying best to do the down and out calendar on an index and not on an individual stock?...

thanks
 
Quote from traderlux:

....atticus, are you saying best to do the down and out calendar on an index and not on an individual stock?...

thanks
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No, just that there is persistent skew in index and not many shares.
 
What is a down and out calendar? When I hear the term down and out I think of a knockout put that knocks out of you cross some lower barrier. Clearly that's not what's being discussed here.
 
Quote from newwurldmn:

What is a down and out calendar? When I hear the term down and out I think of a knockout put that knocks out of you cross some lower barrier. Clearly that's not what's being discussed here.
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....my understanding of the spread is as follows....
The "down and out" calendar/diagonal spread, (a type of short calendar/diagonal spread using puts)
long a near-term higher strike put and short a lower strike longer-term put .
(named from the fact that it is also used by cash covered put writers to move their written puts “down and out”???? what ever that means )
The spread can be initiated for a debit, a credit, or even money depending on the strikes involved, the time until expiration and the implied volatilities of both months.
The spread can be thought of as a combination of a short calendar spread and a bear put spread in the far month.
The short calendar spread component indicates the trader would like a sharp move. (opposite to what the calendar buyer is looking for, minimal move)
The vertical bear spread component in the longer-term month indicates that the trader would like a move down.
Combining the two is a strategy geared for a sharp move down.

ref an SFO article
http://www.sfomag.com/ArticlePrint.aspx?ID=75
 
Quote from traderlux:

....my understanding of the spread is as follows....
The "down and out" calendar/diagonal spread, (a type of short calendar/diagonal spread using puts)
long a near-term higher strike put and short a lower strike longer-term put .
(named from the fact that it is also used by cash covered put writers to move their written puts “down and out”???? what ever that means )
The spread can be initiated for a debit, a credit, or even money depending on the strikes involved, the time until expiration and the implied volatilities of both months.
The spread can be thought of as a combination of a short calendar spread and a bear put spread in the far month.
The short calendar spread component indicates the trader would like a sharp move. (opposite to what the calendar buyer is looking for, minimal move)
The vertical bear spread component in the longer-term month indicates that the trader would like a move down.
Combining the two is a strategy geared for a sharp move down.

ref an SFO article
http://www.sfomag.com/ArticlePrint.aspx?ID=75
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Ah. Down and out with respect to the put writer implies he trades the putspread, buying to close the higher strike and selling to open the longer dated lower strike.

I have a tough time with nomenclature here vs what I was brought up with.
 
Quote from newwurldmn:

Ah. Down and out with respect to the put writer implies he trades the putspread, buying to close the higher strike and selling to open the longer dated lower strike.

I have a tough time with nomenclature here vs what I was brought up with.
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...oh, so the put writer is doing a roll or adjustment or some sort of trade management to an existing position?...
 
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