My next prediction. (The Euro to fall apart)

[Gringinho]

Quote from jprad:

Sure you do, all I need to do is trust you, right?

There's nothing technological or ideological that can prevent a coalition of like-minded people from attempting a power grab.

Short of the entire world's population achieving collective consciousness, the best we can hope for is a system that can detect bad behavior and punish the instigators.

Actually, what I encourage is for people to start thinking and reasoning for themselves, and use that as a basis for their decisions - not buying into whole ideologies fabricated by others. You would have seen how I repeatedly make this point throughout my posts - if you'd be bother to read what I write.

Your other statements about technology and collectivism is just a reflection on how little you have looked into this area. I am a fierce opponent of collectivism - it is totalitarian and vile - and I have been so since I was a kid. Your conclusion of a "best system" is authoritarian and verging on approximation of totalitarianism - which I strongly object to.

 

[jprad]

Quote from Gringinho:

Actually, what I encourage is for people to start thinking and reasoning for themselves, and use that as a basis for their decisions - not buying into whole ideologies fabricated by others. You would have seen how I repeatedly make this point throughout my posts - if you'd be bother to read what I write.

Your incessant demand that I read, understand and accept what you have to say is just as authoritarian, and in the end, no different from the systems you rail against.

Your conclusion of a "best system" is authoritarian and verging on approximation of totalitarianism - which I strongly object to.

Object all you want, but Man is a political animal. Any system devised by and run by Man will be flawed.

 

[Gringinho]

Quote from jprad:

Your incessant demand that I read, understand and accept what you have to say is just as authoritarian, and in the end, no different from the systems you rail against.

Object all you want, but Man is a political animal. Any system devised by and run by Man will be flawed.

I say "encourage" while you say "demand" - the difference lies in individual freedom and respect for others.
That is what you are fundamentally mistaking - about reasoning and thinking - and also the flaw I consistently point out.
To understand what is fundamentally communication, knowledge and trust - you need to start thinking for yourself.

Human inclination to flawing is not the same as system error. That goes for logics, tools and any computer system.

 

[TraDaToR]

I live in France and I've never seen any debate, articles on TV or newspapers about the possibility of coming back to national currencies...People are just used to it and have accepted it real fast in 2002... Pretty good consensus around it.

I know that there were debates in Germany when the euro was to high, but now that it is back in the 1.30s I don't there are real problems left...

I would love to see the par with USD as I make money in USD by the way...

 

[Gringinho]

Quote from TraDaToR:

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I would love to see the par with USD as I make money in USD by the way...

But it would be best that you made a bucketload of USD - before(!) it paired out, right?

 

[TraDaToR]

Working on it everyday... This winter I was making my best trading months just to see it annihilated by EURUSD, it was horrible...lol ... But I kept my gains in brokers account and now I feel quite releaved...also try to trade mini euro FX as a long hedge when i see possibilty of euro rise...

 

[jprad]

Quote from Gringinho:

I say "encourage" while you say "demand" - the difference lies in individual freedom and respect for others.

Bullshit. Your entire argument is predicated on your supposed superior understanding of things. That's intolerant and disrespectful to me or anyone else that doesn't share your point of view.

To understand what is fundamentally communication, knowledge and trust - you need to start thinking for yourself.

I do think for myself, albeit different from you. I am shaped by my experiences and perceptions, no different from anyone else.

And, while you say you "encourage" free thought and independent decision making, the fact that you're arguing with me because I don't agree to your point of view only serves to highlight the flaw in yourself and your premise.

It's not that it's right or wrong, that's irrelevant. It's flawed, that's all.

Human inclination to flawing is not the same as system error. That goes for logics, tools and any computer system.

Semantic nonsense. A system error is the result of a flaw. The result is proportional to the severity of the error and the defenses established to contain them.

 

[Thermactor]

Quote from Pholeuon:


Btw, Soros is citizen of which country?

Soros is a Hungarian piece of trash.

 

[Gringinho]

Quote from jprad:

Bullshit. Your entire argument is predicated on your supposed superior understanding of things. That's intolerant and disrespectful to me or anyone else that doesn't share your point of view.
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And, while you say you "encourage" free thought and independent decision making, the fact that you're arguing with me because I don't agree to your point of view only serves to highlight the flaw in yourself and your premise.
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You engaged me, remember? "Save the agenda-laden crap."

Just like in any self-defence - if you attack me - you'll get what is coming.
When you are a black-belt in some martial art, and then sparring with someone less experienced - most times you treat them carefully, not striking the living shit out of them. Just like with females, which might be highly ranked - but it's not ethically nice to go all out against them anyway - which has cost me a number of split lips in my time, hehehe. But, the point is that even if you can - you spare both a little by just "exercising lightly" instead of going fully at it. Is that arrogant -- you betcha, but it's also wise.

The other stuff you said, is just as easily crushed in debating and argumentation - I'll not even bother - but it is an easy exercise. What would likely happen is that you would get wrapped up in more and more inconsistencies - because your initial statements, claims and beliefs were false - and that is how you would ultimately fail any further debate with me. Therefore I spare you the bother - and mine - as it is pointless. You can't "win" when you start out on the wrong foot and structure your whole argumentation from the initial fallacy. That is how, I'll easily crush what you are trying to say - falsely representing my intentions.

In short: you can't "win" by lying or based on misinformation (different from disinformation, by being ignorant).

 

[jprad]

Quote from TraDaToR:

I live in France and I've never seen any debate, articles on TV or newspapers about the possibility of coming back to national currencies...People are just used to it and have accepted it real fast in 2002... Pretty good consensus around it.

No doubt. Everything's fine and dandy when things are going well. The real test is how well it handles a crisis, like the one we're living through now.

IMHO, you can't have a resilient currency when it is not supported by a uniform political system underneath it that prevents the members from cutting and running once things sour.