My next motherboard

Hello nononsense,

Hmmm, MSFT willingly give up it's most profitable business? When hell freezes over :D

Sigh, portable developement tools is a panacea at this point. The closes thing that is both portable, powerful and looks like a real programming language to me is Java. I much prefer C# to java, but C# currently is really just an MSFT offering (besides, without also porting .NET, you would lose alot of the fun.)

nitro
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Hi nitro,

The .NET BSD version is interesting. I don't know whether this is serious or not, but I heard a rumor that Longhorn will never see the light. They have postponed it again. The rumor has it that M$ would switch to Linux in 2 years or so, trying to hang on to their Office and other things. This could also give some weight to the .NET support in UNIX. Again, this is only rumor.

As you probably read, I am kind of searching myself for portable development tools. Of course, I'll keep on using C++ as before. I had acquired Kylix3 (=Delphi & C++) but Borland seems to have lost interest. I'm set up now in Python, both in Windows and Linux. I like this very much. It seems to be highly efficient to get things done. When you're interested in high performance math work, it seems they have quite a bit of support for this too but I haven't looked at this. I'm not sure though if this is really the right longterm solution.

I'll take a look at .NET for BSD. Thx.

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I absolutely love Linux. I wish more of the stuff that was offered to traders was available for it. Microsoft's .NET is OS independent. In fact, MSFT has an early version of .NET that runs on FreeBSD. I can't wait.

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You can always run VMWare and run the Win stuff under that. Last time I experimented with it (most of) the earlier problems had been sorted out. I was running XP Professional, Win2000 Professional and Win2000 server all at the same time with a "virtual" network between all of them. Very nice if you have multiple monitors, looks like you have multiple machines. Your own little mainframe.

There are even versions that allow you to run it on a big (non-PC) machines.

That would be my pick to change OS.

I still remember "mini" of 3 Mips and Mainframes of 6 Mips filling a room and requiring airconditioning the size of a truck. We have come a long way from since the old 8088 with 128K memory and a floppy disk :cool:
 
Quote from bali_survivor:

...I still remember "mini" of 3 Mips and Mainframes of 6 Mips filling a room and requiring airconditioning the size of a truck. We have come a long way from since the old 8088 with 128K memory and a floppy disk :cool:
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Yeah,

My first computer was the Atari 400 with the chicklet keyboard. I still can't believe I got some things running on that thing. It took days just to type it in! The innosence of youth LOL :D

Ugh, VMWare is cool, but all of my applications require the outmost speed. Adding a layer in between OS and the hardware won't cut it. Thanks for the suggestion though.

nitro
 
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If you're into C++, you might take a look at Trolltech's toolkit (http://www.trolltech.com). Runs on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows. Free for personal use.
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Hi cmaxb,

Forget trolltech. Did you ever try to install it on Linux? Not even talking about Windows. (I'm talking about the "free"one).

When you google around a bit you will find tons of similar complaints. It might in fact install under one particular release of one particular distro.

Go to Boa if you want to do Python/C++. Works well unser both Linux and Windows.

Be good,

nononsense
 
Nononsense,

I don't understand. Most distros come with a full version (3.1+) as part of their extras package. Installing from the source tgz is also straightforward. If you need a hand with a particular distro's implementation, I might be able to help out.
 
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Nononsense,

I don't understand. Most distros come with a full version (3.1+) as part of their extras package. Installing from the source tgz is also straightforward. If you need a hand with a particular distro's implementation, I might be able to help out.
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Hi cmaxb,

As you read, I was mainly interested to get going in Python under Qt. I did not fill in all the details.

My aim was to install eric3.3.1 on Fedora core1. This requires installing PyQt, QScintilla and sip. I tried several different versions but never managed to get it done.

Googling around, I found several posts of people going through the same experience. Too many interdependent components, version changes, etc. Like the others I gave up on it. Qt by itself may be interesting as coming with Linux. In fact a good part of KDE is using it.

As I indicated already, I finally stuck with the Boa Python development GUI which I managed to get going without much effort on both Windows and Linux. I basically plan on doing most work on Python, going to C/C++ as needed. This is very easy under Python .

If you would have any experience with the PyQt & eric stuff, please let me know.

Thank you for your help cmaxb.

nononsense
 
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No!

The new (Quad only?) opteron boards have dual channel PCI/X buses! That is the whole point! Check out:

http://www.amdboard.com/tyan_s4882_opteron_board.html

Look at "Expansion Slots" - "Two independent PCI-X buses."

However, I do not know how the hardware interacts with the OS on this.

To add to that, I have no idea on what bus the _onboard_ NICs are. Even in this case, there is probably no way to assure that the NIC's get one PCI-X bus to itself. Ugh, I honestly don't know.

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For interrupt sharing, it doesn't matter what busses the slots are on, only how many slots the board has and how many inputs the I/O APIC has. The AMD 8111 south bridge has 4 inputs, so with 4 slots, you shouldn't be sharing any (assuming no multi-function cards, which is unlikely). Depending on how the motherboard is laid out, you may share interrupts between the slots and embedded devices, but I believe the 8111 has additional inputs for embedded interrupts.
 
THE biggest problem for AMD to overcome has been support by other vendors b/c of the deals they have with Intel. Now with Opteron they finally have third party support, for example they have Via and nVidia making dual Opteron boards with their own chipsets and technology. Coming soon will be the quad computers from HP, but the biggest and most surprising is IBM maybe coming out with a quad computer system. How flexible their respective boards/chipsets are to adding your own cards (Dell makes it hard to do with their Selectron made boards) I don't know but the AMD chipsets have always been plain vanilla so it's not in anyones best interest to assume Tyan has a superboard coming out.
 
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