My mistakes have made my best systems...anyone else?

[Simples]

what's the point of DELIBERATELY posting OBVIOUSLY flawed logic?

Logic by itself, has no intrinsic value or validation. A computer program is in essence just that: logic. Mathematics is also full of logic. It can be used to express anything. It's just a tool, and not something to rely on as a foundation.

I can see that someone operating from logic alone may subjectively believe everything needs to be pre-planned, but life does not operate this way.

 

[dartmus]

I'll bite: Logic is flawed. It's not even real. It's in our heads only, not out in the world, in reality, outside the shadows flickering in cave walls, or even outside the caves themselves. Unless we unleash our own logic unto the world. Which is mankind's curse, if ruled by logic alone.

No human logic can explain or justify anything of big consequence, because life on this planet is mainly caused by chaotic processes.

Most humans are exceptionally good at rationalizing their damaging behaviour and inept attitudes toward their fellow souls though.

Please elaborate on what u mean by

"Which is mankind's curse, if ruled by logic alone."

and put it back into it's context if it makes more sense there because I'm only trying to understand what it means.

Thanks for the post. It's thought provoking.

 

[Simples]

"Which is mankind's curse, if ruled by logic alone."

Does my reply to you explain some of it? This sentence above means that whenever people let logic dictate their intents and actions, this often has the most negative consequences. Logic, like computer programs, can be used to rationalize just about anything. People have been programmed for thousands of years by logic. Our condemnations of others being "fools", just keep us blindsighted by the same process over and over and over again..

In fact, in condemnation, we are blinding ourselves from seeing the real reasons why things happen.

Btw, this is from experience, not logic.

 

[dartmus]

"Which is mankind's curse, if ruled by logic alone."

Does my reply to you explain some of it? This sentence above means that whenever people let logic dictate their intent and actions, this often has the most negative consequences. Logic, like computer programs, can be used to rationalize just about anything. People have been programmed for thousands of years by logic. Our condemnations of others being "fools", just keep us blindsighted by the same process over and over and over again..

In fact, in condemnation, we are blinding ourselves from seeing the real reasons why things happen.

What are u suggesting should replace logic?

 

[Simples]

What are u suggesting should replace logic?

Like many others, I can only point in a direction. It's easier to say what it is not, and to suggest to move further than what is already accomplished.

As point forward, I would suggest humility, consideration, respect, exploration, expansion, inclusion + all the best qualities one would wish to see in others!

This is best answered by oneself though, through one's own experiences. At the right time.

I can provide one answer why though, and that is that all the plans (logic) invite fragility and division. While all the good qualities, invite strengths and harmony. Even when one lose control! This is the only real long game in a chaotic world.

 

[dartmus]

Like many others, I can only point in a direction. It's easier to say what it is not, and to suggest to move further than what is already accomplished.

As point forward, I would suggest humility, consideration, respect, exploration, expansion, inclusion + all the best qualities one would wish to see in others!

This is best answered by oneself though, through one's own experiences. At the right time.

I can provide one answer why though, and that is that all the plans (logic) invite fragility and division. While all the good qualities, invite strengths and harmony. Even when one lose control! This is the only real long game in a chaotic world.

Thank you

 

[dartmus]

Most humans are exceptionally good at rationalizing their damaging behaviour and inept attitudes toward their fellow souls though.

One last question, if u don't mind, why would u say what I quoted here, within the context in which it was said? What did u mean by it?

 

[Simples]

One last question, if u don't mind, why would u say what I quoted here, within the context in which it was said? What did u mean by it?

It's of course a remark that has a bit of an edge, but what I mean is that we often fail to see the consequences for ourselves and especially others. We humans are quick to prescribe medicine that can be worse than the syndrome itself. We are prone to treat symptoms and not go in-depth. We prefer quick fixes, pain pills and ideology, rather than weighing options and reflection.

After the fact, what's done is done of course. Then we use logic to rationalize that we couldn't have done any different, so in this way unwittingly keep repeating our patterns. In aspects where we can't change our ways for the better, we pass our patterns onto our children, for them to work it through. Not as a conscious act, but by lack of awareness and by example. It's a sort of laziness too, and often has real consequences to people we deem "lesser" than us, or as "others".

It's systematic in society, but it's also an aspect that has been improving systematically compared to earlier historic periods. Though with all the technological developments, the stakes are higher, so all must be held to even higher standards than before.

So all in all, and to try to keep on topic somewhat, I do think it's highly valuable to recognize ones mistakes. Not just dismissing them as past mistakes + all is forgiven, but all the possibilities and to continually broaden our minds and capacity for empathy.