My Head is Spinning

A little background - I have been interested trading for many, many years. I've tried everything: indicators, TA, price action, etc. I study charts for hours and hours. Have not been able to come up with a profitable trading system yet. As much as I try, as soon as I think I understand price action, it starts to look random again.

This site is intriguing. I've spent hours and hours reading threads here. So many different approaches, so many different opinions:

Can't make money scalping.
I make a living scalping.
Member XYZ is a genius.
Member XYZ is an idiot.
Forex is a scam.
Forex is just like any other market.
Great set-ups are the key.
Entries and exits don't matter, it's money management that's the key.

The list goes on. . .

My first goal in coming here was to gain some insight as to whether there really is any likelihood of becoming a profitable trader. It seems that there must be, but who knows what to believe. The second is to get some guidance on the path to becoming a profitable trader.

What's been disappointing in all the reading I've done here is that there is very little substance to help one down the right path.

I don't expect anyone to give out their trade secrets. I know first hand how difficult it is to develop them, and I wouldn't be inclined to give them away (if I had any), either.

But what I would expect is a blueprint as to how they developed their systems. More often than not what I read here is "It's taken my fifteen years of studying, and several blown accounts to get to where I am today". Well that's great, but it doesn't help.

I'm not even sure what to ask for.

I'm confident I can develop my own system, otherwise why would I keep banging my head against the wall? All that I need are some hints as to the right direction. I'm inclined to scalp, it suits my personality. I have enough trading capital.

I haven't seen many people actually describe their approaches. I believe it can be done without giving away secrets by talking in general terms. Maybe not, I don't know.
 
Trading, first of all, Will make your head spin -- on a daily basis o_O :confused:
So if you hate that kind of thing, this relatively crazy, intense trading world is not for you.

Everyday in the market...it's like having the courage... to walk up to a woman and flirt, or say Hi. and throw in flying a fighter jet too into this mix.

You are right...you ask a delicate question...there's a fine line between finding those rare successful people in the market, and w/o explicitly giving away their recipe.

Try to think both on a macro, and micro, tactical scale. Think like an Army General deploying his troops, and weapons, and strategy.
This sentence makes me think of Gordon Gekko in the locker room scene of Wall Street.

Winning at trading is not by sheer luck -- you have to make it happen, carve it out in your favor.
No guts, no glory. Nothing risked, nothing gained. Fortune favors the bold. yadda yadda yadda -- But this is not to imply to be Stupid.

And forget trading systems/algorithms/computers/automation...the best stuff requires skill and intuition.
Sure it can take time, but once you grasp it...you will surpass, easily, by leaps and bounds...those so-called automatic ATM machine, set it and forget it, strategies.

Have a narrow focus of expertise -- don't try to trade or learn everything in the market.
I suggest learning or trading or mastering...just the Big one, the Big main game...the SPY/DOW/SPX...study and analyze why and how it moves or behaves each day.
everything else in the market feels like leftover scraps.
 
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I thought scalping eminis and forex suited my personality but I just couldn't make money doing it.
I ended up settling on options trading and making money for a change. It turned out that the slower pace and analytical aspects of options was better suited to my personality.

Fair enough. Can you describe what you do without giving away your secrets?
 
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I'm confident I can develop my own system, otherwise why would I keep banging my head against the wall? All that I need are some hints as to the right direction. I'm inclined to scalp, it suits my personality. I have enough trading capital...

Then do it RIGHT NOW in sim. Try to develop the system! On the technical side, what works in sim WILL work in live.

On the psychological side, what works in sim may not work in live. You gotta' start somewhere. So start somewhere safe, but at the very least, START!
 
Then do it RIGHT NOW in sim. Try to develop the system! On the technical side, what works in sim WILL work in live.

On the psychological side, what works in sim may not work in live. You gotta' start somewhere. So start somewhere safe, but at the very least, START!

With all due respect, I don't think you've read my initial post carefully. I've been trying to develop something for a very long time, and failed. But I'm not discouraged. What I'm looking for are some hints as to where to start.

I'm well aware of paper trading and the psychology of trading - painfully aware, actually.
 
Fair enough. Can you describe what you do without giving away your secrets?
Well I can tell you I do broken wing butterflies on index options as my main trade but that's not much help. :D
The secrets lie in how many days to expiry, how far OTM, how wide, what greeks look best. And that's just for entry. Managing the trade, knowing when/how to adjust comes with experience.
 
. . .And forget trading systems/algorithms/computers/automation...the best stuff requires skill and intuition.
Sure it can take time, but once you grasp it...you will surpass, easily, by leaps and bounds...those so-called automatic ATM machine, set it and forget it, strategies.

Have a narrow focus of expertise -- don't try to trade or learn everything in the market.
I suggest learning or trading or mastering...just the Big one, the Big main game...the SPY/DOW/SPX...study and analyze why and how it moves or behaves each day.
everything else in the market feels like leftover scraps.

This has been my most recent approach. Trying to get a "feel" for the market and look for reliable patterns. Was focusing on ES. So far, it all still looks like a random walk. Will staring at charts for hours and hours eventually get me there? If so, OK, I'm willing to put in the hours. Just seems fruitless at this point.
 
With all due respect, I don't think you've read my initial post carefully. I've been trying to develop something for a very long time, and failed. But I'm not discouraged. What I'm looking for are some hints as to where to start.

I'm well aware of paper trading and the psychology of trading - painfully aware, actually.
Doc, I know exactly how you feel, been there :) I'm trading for a living for 5 years, left my day job as software developer 7 years ago. Started from scratch, and after 2 years of learning, testing, developing came up with a strategy to start trading real money.
The first few years were hard on me, but, never ever burned my account. Had some serious drawdowns like 60% of capital but managed to cover and continue.
What I came up with 3 years ago was the real thing, but I realized it only after a year, when I managed to make 100% returns 5 times in a row.
The tools I use are basic stuff, no algo BS and it's day trading, no longer-term. I measure my success on a daily basis and follow my plan.
Nothing fancy, really.
Cheers
 
First of all, stick to one instrument. ES for instance. Start studying how it moves. Study everything about price. Also you will need to break it down via time periods. 930-1030, 1030-12, 12-1, etc.... If you are going to study price, you need to stick to a specific time period first of all. When it starts looking random to you, that means you haven't done enough research. The 10,000 hour mark is probably spot on as to how long it takes once you have developed a decent approach to the markets
 
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