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Quote from aus_SPIder:

oh god where do i start?


okay lets start with your goals:

assuming u have 50,000 in your trading account now. You want to turn that into 200,000 by the 2008. okayyyyy

By my calculations thats:

FV = PV(1+r)^n
Assuming n=2 so well give you a full 2 years to make it.
200,000 = 50,000 (1+r)^n
r = 1

so therefore you would need to make an annual rate of return of 100% compounded over 2yrs to give you your 200k. If we assume the benchmark S&P 500 index returns 20% pa over the same period your outperformance of the index will be 80% p.a i'd say 0.5% of ET traders here could match that and i for one couldnt. Most ETers would be happy with 1-2 standard deviations above the S&P or about 30% PA. Best hedge fund ever Renaissance technologies Medallion Fund returns 35%pa after fees or about 60% before. Therefore you who have had no/very little trading experience are trying to mix it with the very best in the game most of whom have taken 10 or more years to get to that level. What makes you special?

Look at yourself and your trading history, Do you really believe that given your current level of experience you can outperform the index by a massive 80%? Just from your post i can say your overconfident (like every chump who wants to be a milliionaire stock trader), undereducated(u obviously have done no work as to which method ull use to trade, ur even unsure as to whether ull be scalping) and lazy (u havent even used the search funciton on ET), a perfect combination to lose 100% pa, not make 100%pa. You make excuses for the fact that your a loser. Judging by that ull probably make excuses as to why u made losing trades instead of logically analyzing what went wrong. U will end up trading on emotion, the most fickle indicator every built. and by then ull bankrupt urself and ur 50,000

Seriously judging from the attitude in your post id recommend u jsut buy teh S&P index at 4:1 leverage and dont look at it for 2years. u might end up with mroe that way than u will by trading. Even better, use that 25k, buy a car, get some good dating guides and pick up a girl. That is a much better way of spending 25k rather than gambling it, which is what ur proposing.
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oh god where do I start? First off, even if I don't get to 200,000, at least I had the initiative and took the steps to get to at least TRY to obtain that goal. Stop hating. Also I believe I'm not gambling my money. Using my 25000 and buying 25000 worth of lottery tickets is gambling. I'm taking on high probability trades through the use of technical analysis. I might hit and miss from time to time, but as long as I stick to my current system and adjust to changing market conditions, I'll believe I'll be fine. I've read many books on trading and I'll NEVER stop learning. EVER.
 
You say you will never stop learning? Why not learn and not use leverage until you have a few years of success? If your goal is reached a few years later is it really that traumatically life changing? Will you consider yourself a loser for being a few years late on your goal. One thing for sure is you will not last long with high leverage and only 25-50,000. Who are you trying to impress and why?
 
Quote from I Trade 4 Money:

Hello. I would like to take this time to introduce myself. I want a lot of money. I'm 24 and I want to be a millionaire by the time I'm 30 and over 10 million by the time I'm 40. I have no debt. I currently trade with the 23,000 that I have in my Scottrade account. Just 2000 more and I get 4:1 leverage. I could use the 6000 I have in my bank account to get that stupid 4:1 SEC rule requirement, but if I can't make 2000 with 23,000 with 2:1, quite frankly, I don't deserve that 4:1 leverage. At this point in my life, I would consider myself a "loser" for a lack of a better word. I still live with my parents (lame excuse #1: Want to save every bit of money I have so my trade account get's bigger and bigger). I have no car (lame excuse#2: Same as lame excuse #1). I have no girlfriend (lame excuse #3: Same as lame excuse#2). My first goal is to turn from a loser to a winner. In order to do this my first target goal is to have at LEAST 200,000 in my account by the end of 2008. You may ask yourself, how in the hell I'm going to make that kind of cash in that short of a time period. One word my friends: LEVERAGE. As soon as I increase my 23,000 account to 30,000, I'm going to get a loan for 30,000. Since I have good credit, I can get a loan for less than 8%. Put that 30,000 with my other 30,000 and now I have 60,000 in my account. With 2:1 leverage that's 120,000. If have enough experience to scalp by then, I might decide to use the 4:1 leverage. By that time, I obviously need to find a better platform than Scottrade, one that has low transaction costs for high volume traders. You guy's got any suggestions for any good platforms? Anyways, that's my plan for the time being. I'll give updates from time to time. Thanks for reading.:D
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i would like to welcome you to the trading world

Because we need a steady stream of people like you for there to be opportunity

I say a steady stream, because once your account has dried up, you're no longer usefull

Sad thing is, when that occurs, you'll look back on where you are today, and it wont seem like you were that much of a loser

compared to where you'll be on that day
 
Quote from I Trade 4 Money:

oh god where do I start? First off, even if I don't get to 200,000, at least I had the initiative and took the steps to get to at least TRY to obtain that goal. Stop hating. Also I believe I'm not gambling my money. Using my 25000 and buying 25000 worth of lottery tickets is gambling. I'm taking on high probability trades through the use of technical analysis. I might hit and miss from time to time, but as long as I stick to my current system and adjust to changing market conditions, I'll believe I'll be fine. I've read many books on trading and I'll NEVER stop learning. EVER.
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proposing to trade at teh beginner stage with your entire capital on 4:1 leverage to start off with is gambling. You've barely any idea on how your psychologically going to take losses. Are you going to cut your trading size? or are you going to use mroe money to try and make back your losses? Most traders spend their entire capital trying to make back their first $1000 of losses.

Initiative is a lovely thing to begin with, the problem is maintaining initiative when everything is going against you. Making it by yourself in this buisness is not easy and requires alot of financial pain. If your smart, ull be able to limit the financial pain by trading small.

:P and if you think being rich is going to get u chicks, lol ur wrong, ull only get a golddigger wholl show u the meanign of DRAWDOWN
 
":P and if you think being rich is going to get u chicks, lol ur wrong, ull only get a golddigger wholl show u the meanign of DRAWDOWN"


Truer words were never spoken.
 
Quote from aus_SPIder:

proposing to trade at teh beginner stage with your entire capital on 4:1 leverage to start off with is gambling.
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How do you know that I'm at "teh beginner stage". Do you know me? You don't even know how I got the money AND be debt free in the first place.
 
Quote from I Trade 4 Money:

I'm trying to impress nobody.
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You say you're are about to graduate from college and yet you come out with a sentence like "I'm trying to impress nobody"?

As far as how anyone knows you are at the beginning stage? Well all I can tell you is that your statements very obviously point in that direction.
 
Quote from I Trade 4 Money:

How do you know that I'm at "teh beginner stage". Do you know me? You don't even know how I got the money AND be debt free in the first place.
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If you live with your parents and they pay your tuition then theres no reason you should have any debt anyway.
 
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