My Experience at a Prop Firm

another mook crapped out in the prop world and is now looking to complain and find someone to blame...big surprise. You didn't make it...that's all. And this is why prop trading is dying out...cause firms back guys like you who have no clue. Forget about the transition to hybrid...if you're good, you'll make $$...end of story.
 
Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

i'm really not qualified to answer, although i'm sure you could find the answer in this board...

my purpose in mentioning them was the undeniable success of the firm as a whole in conjunction with the fact that they are a true prop and generally recruit noobs....

also, a firm which i was a part of-refco/macfutures was also very successful and also took mostly noobs, as do most of the more well known futures shops...

Mo, there is no mathematical way to get around the failure rate in trading. It's about 80% to 90% across the board. It does not matter if it's Refco, Swift, Worldco or Schonfeld.

What you are falling victim to is survivorship bias. You are only seeing the winners at those firms. The losers get discarded, and quickly. The main difference between let's say between maybe Assent and Swift, is that unprofitable traders will hang around longer at firms where they deposit their own capital because there is no one that will throw them out per se. At firms where traders are backed, their shelf life is very short. If they don't make money, they are gone. That is the deception you are seeing.
 
How can I beat the IB 2.90 R/T rate on most equity indicies I trade???

Anybody?

Great thread here interesting banter.......

Looking for a futures shop tht will benefit from my trading and visa versa-

dont need the leverage- need the commissions down - IB fills and commisions arent all that great
 
You might check out Advantage Futures. They're in Chicago but I'm sure you could trade through them remotely, and you'll get much better rates clearing them than you will IB.


Quote from exchange1:

How can I beat the IB 2.90 R/T rate on most equity indicies I trade???

Anybody?

Great thread here interesting banter.......

Looking for a futures shop tht will benefit from my trading and visa versa-

dont need the leverage- need the commissions down - IB fills and commisions arent all that great
 
Quote from exchange1:

How can I beat the IB 2.90 R/T rate on most equity indicies I trade???

Anybody?

Great thread here interesting banter.......

Looking for a futures shop tht will benefit from my trading and visa versa-

dont need the leverage- need the commissions down - IB fills and commisions arent all that great

Look for a shop with full memberships to the exchanges you trade.
 
Quote from Yannis:

. I mean, I would have a very simple test: are you consistently profitable at home? For more than a year? Then you should be able to make it at a prop shop. If you can't make it at home, chances are that you won't make it at a prop shop either. To me this is simple to understand, almost trivial.

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this particular point. Sure, if you're a good trader at home, you have a much better chance to make more money by going prop.

However, since most retail traders are stuck with PDT rules, and trade with $25K, they cannot take part in many of the strategies that work so well when you can use a $million or more (the opening only for example, longer term Mergers and pairs, etc.). Having "leverage" does not mean simply buying/selling larger share size, it means tha you can engage in more sophisticated strategies.

FWIW,

Don
 
Quote from Don Bright:

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this particular point. Sure, if you're a good trader at home, you have a much better chance to make more money by going prop.

However, since most retail traders are stuck with PDT rules, and trade with $25K, they cannot take part in many of the strategies that work so well when you can use a $million or more (the opening only for example, longer term Mergers and pairs, etc.). Having "leverage" does not mean simply buying/selling larger share size, it means tha you can engage in more sophisticated strategies.

FWIW,

Don
Don: Yea, I see your point, makes sense. Actually, you've explained this to me before, a couple years ago and I keep forgetting it... :)
 
Quote from Yannis:

Don: Yea, I see your point, makes sense. Actually, you've explained this to me before, a couple years ago and I keep forgetting it... :)

HEY!!!!! Who let you out of the 'JOKES THREAD"?????


GET BACK IN THERE AND MAKE MY ASS LAUGH!!!!:p :p
 
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