my employers 401k does not allow long calls / puts what choices i have?

IB will let you trade long options and spreads. I trade long ops all the time in my IRA at IB.

https://ibkr.info/article/2187

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Trading on margin in an IRA account
IRA accounts, by definition, may not use borrowed funds to purchase securities and must pay for all long stock purchases in full, may not carry short stock positions and may not hold a debit cash balance (in any currency). IRA accounts are eligible to carry futures and option contracts. In addition, IB offers a specific form of IRA account referred to as a “Margin IRA” that allows the account holder to trade with unsettled funds, carry American style option spreads and maintain long balances in multiple currency denominations."


Cabin111 said:
I have Roth IRAs at Fidelity and Schwab. I can only do covered calls or puts to buy back stocks, I believe. Federal law I think...I may be wrong, but I feel that is the case.
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But be aware that IB's auto-liquidator will very ham-fistedly close trades to relieve any margin violations that show up. Even violations that are caused by bogus quotes. An ET member recently had to go to arbitration when he got closed out of part of a large spread position.
 
Option_Attack said:
IB will let you trade long options and spreads. I trade long ops all the time in my IRA at IB.

https://ibkr.info/article/2187

"
Trading on margin in an IRA account
IRA accounts, by definition, may not use borrowed funds to purchase securities and must pay for all long stock purchases in full, may not carry short stock positions and may not hold a debit cash balance (in any currency). IRA accounts are eligible to carry futures and option contracts. In addition, IB offers a specific form of IRA account referred to as a “Margin IRA” that allows the account holder to trade with unsettled funds, carry American style option spreads and maintain long balances in multiple currency denominations."
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an IRA is not the same as a 401k
 
Option_Attack said:
Yeah, that's why I said to open a separate IRA. When the OP changes jobs or retires, he can roll the 401 to a tradable IRA setup, if desired.
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I might do that if i change my job. I see IRA vs 401k differences is mainly former is individual ret. plan vs. other one is employer sponsored. I am assuming from tax POV, there is no other differences? I assume gain made in IRA is not taxable until retirement right? as well as withdrawal penalty are also same? Thanks.,
 
ajacobson said:
1. Lobby them to change - the 401(k) could be a legacy setup. Fidelity has 401(k)s that do allow them so I would assume it your firm's restriction.
2. Do them in a taxable account - problematic for taxes. If your hedge works and you're net zero between the two accounts you would have a tax liability.
3. Inverse ETF if allowed. Finding something that is either a close or rough fit, but it's more capital intensive.
4. Your point about moving the 401(k) - I suspect they would more likely to change and allow hedging before they allow you to move to another provider - whole bunch of reasons as to why.
5. If you have lot's of company stock in the 401(k) Fidelity may have an OTC hedge - a long shot.
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I talked to 'em the benefit admins, they won't even allow to roll into IRA while I am working. I dont know lobbying will have an effect. I can definitely ask around, but the organization is huge (200$ billion company), i doubt voice of a one guy and little guy will make any different lol.
 
ggelitetrader000 said:
that sucks, have you tried applying?
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Yeh, I called up the Fidelity Customer support and they confirmed that my company doesn't allow buying individual stocks. Although I can trade ETFs so I've basically turned it into my SPY buy and hold account. Too bad though. Wish I could sell options in that account although the commissions would probably be so high that it wouldn't be worth it.
 
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