My Daytrading Plan

[Quanto]

My bad.
Ignore my post if you think $1.3 is well within your model's expectancy.

Trading a $10 stock requires 100 * $10 = $1000 for the stock, plus
100 * $0.10 = $10 for the LongPut contract (assuming $0.10 Premium).
I have a small account, so these dimensions of trading just 1 or a few contracts is OK for me.
And no need to start a really unnecessary sub-discussion about margin etc... Let's forget it

But nevertheless can you reveal us how many option trades are required to get $0.25 at Schwab?

 

[tomkat22]

On such a short time frame why are you even trading options? For the leverage? So you dont have to monitor the trade minute by minute? I'm sorry but if you're gonna daytrade you will have to watch that screen minute by minute. And grow your account balance organically, forget about leverage for now.

 

[ironchef]

Trading a $10 stock requires 100 * $10 = $1000 for the stock, plus
100 * $0.10 = $10 for the LongPut contract (assuming $0.10 Premium).
I have a small account, so these dimensions of trading just 1 or a few contracts is OK for me.
And no need to start a really unnecessary sub-discussion about margin etc... Let's forget it

But nevertheless can you reveal us how many option trades are required to get $0.25 at Schwab?

$1.3 is 0.13% of your trade. Assuming you pay once a week, annualized is 7% overhead of your $1,000. On top, you are also fighting bid/ask... You must have a robust money making model.

As for your question, sorry, no comment. I don't want to tip my hands.

 

[ironchef]

On such a short time frame why are you even trading options? For the leverage? So you dont have to monitor the trade minute by minute? I'm sorry but if you're gonna daytrade you will have to watch that screen minute by minute. And grow your account balance organically, forget about leverage for now.

No, he does it for downside protection.

@Quanto is a smart and creative guy. A cleaver idea if it is cheap and his model can afford it.

 

[deaddog]

Do you mean the plan is good and I can start, or do you rather mean you don't believe in the plan and would like to see me start and fail?

I don't know if the plan is good because you haven't given the specifics. It's your plan, so if you think it's good, trade it and see what happens.
If it fails then it's a learning experience.
I don't want anyone to fail, why would you think that?

 

[Quanto]

I further analysed it: even if stock falls any percent (!) it really doesn't matter!
Even in that case one can continue doing daytrading AND make profits!
The protective Put makes this possible!
For the above given example: as long as one makes net >= 1% profit (together from both stock and the option) then everything is OK. One can achieve this goal even if the stock is deep in the reds in respect to the initial stock price! B/c then the Put option profits...
Even if one does not make any profit: the MaxLoss is the said 1%
(As said: we don't trade the Put option; it gets opened once in the beginning and then kept till expiry. We daytrade only the stock.).

Actually it's even just 0.99% instead of 1%, as was shown in prev. posting.

Here's demo setup: https://optioncreator.com/stsgqqr

 

[tomkat22]

I further analysed it: even if stock falls any percent (!) it really doesn't matter!
Even in that case one can continue doing daytrading AND make profits!
The protective Put makes this possible!
For the above given example: as long as one makes net >= +1% profit (together from both stock and the option) then everything is OK.
One can achieve this goal even if the stock is deep in the reds in respect to the initial stock price!
B/c then the Put option profits...
(As said: we don't trade the Put option; it gets opened once in the beginning and then kept till expiry. We daytrade only the stock.).

So the Put expires by 4 pm ET that day and the trade is closed?

 

[Quanto]

So the Put expires by 4 pm ET that day and the trade is closed?

Yes, what else? On the next trading day one can start anew...

 

[tomkat22]

Yes, what else? On the next trading day one can start anew...

You said in the thread title DAYTRADING plan. If you are able to watch that screen minute by minute why the fuck even use Options? Just use a simple Stop. Even on the fastest moving most volatile stocks a stop will get you out of the trade with acceptable damage.

 

[Quanto]

You said in the thread title DAYTRADING plan. If you are able to watch that screen minute by minute why the fuck even use Options? Just use a simple Stop. Even on the fastest moving most volatile stocks a stop will get you out of the trade with acceptable damage.

One can use any method.
As an options guy, I prefer my method using the protective Put option.
Man, this is just one (1) options trade opened at the beginning, and closed after 5 days or so.