My Chick Goslin "Intelligent Futures Trading" Journal

Hi!

Good thing Chick mentioned this journal in he`s letter today. I had no idea it existed.

Anyway, I`m still reading the journal, but just a few thoughts: Chicks book was a turningpoint for me also. A pure no-bullshit guy like Chick is a rare sight these days. I quietly hope that he will keep the comments coming.

I`ve been trading he`s method for the last few years and the last 10 months profitably. I also keep a trading journal in estonian website in estonian language. (pm me if any interest).



Best of luck with your goals!!
 
Thanks Toorik! Yes it was quite a surprise to see that in the letter today. I'll have be be more careful about what I say now ;) Just kidding, I'm glad you like my journal Chick, I couldn't have done it without you. Very few people share such valuable information with the generosity that you have. Following your example has made it easy to do the same with this journal and with others who ask for for trading guidance in my personal life.

Thanks again my friend :)


5:00 AM comments

The question at moment is whether past few days reversals are continuation moves or aberrations. Signs still conflicting, but overall indications are they will turn out to be continuation moves, i.e., beginning of sustained, good sized moves in new directions.

So. still like stocks from long side. Currently have the type of momentum line pattern than tends to produce several week to couple month (or more) up moves. On Weds VIX gave good sign of a significant top. Sentiment extremely bullish (way too much pessimism). When sentiment at an extreme and momentum turns in opposite direction can get very fast, very sharp move in new direction. Have couple of next day down indications for today (relative weakness of NDX to Dow and next day down signal in VIX on yesterday's close, but see so much upside potential prefer to try to hold through any short term weakness.

Very tough call on currencies and precious metals at moment. Can still make slight but legitimate case to be long here (all currencies), however any further down today and patterns will go neutral to negative. Gold pattern still marginally positive, but unless up today will turn neutral. Platinum still weaker than Gold and this remains clear downside warning sign, especially when divergence this extreme. Plus if all other markets reversing direciton, only logical these would also, although "logic" always lousy indicator in this game. So lines on gold and silver slowling tilting to downside. Want to be long but too many negative warning signs, and up trends little too strong for shorts.

Patterns in nat gas and crude still very negative. Prefer to pass on shorting crude due to event risk, but odds still clearly favor lower in nat gas, and possibly lot lower. See only risk there for near term as "time," meaning might have to ride through day or two up, but if do odds very high the up will be given back very quickly (when intermediate term momentum this strong to downside it's very difficult for short term up moves to last more than day or two, especially the first up move).

Grain patterns still fairly negative, but yesterday was good example of what weather threats can do this time of year. Understand have potential for very bullish weather in week or so (hot, dry for several weeks). In this type of situation, due to weather risk prefer to pass on short side regardless of line patterns, and if should start to get a weather caused up move, then being positioned with the SL (going long on turn up in SL) is not bad idea since SL would be quickest to react to weather. So if SL's in bean complex turn up next few days nothing wrong with some longs. Upside potential extreme on beans if should get weather threat (due to low stocks).

Still like shorts in cocoa, and sugar now as well, but lack of down in cotton now becoming a concern. So would put any cotton shorts on fairly strict probation (either down or out today). Also still like shorts in Copper. Aggravating market past few days though since keeps coming close to breaking down big, then comes right back up, but sideways still more negative than positive so will give it more chance.

Bottom line: The big reversals of past few days have come on type of momentum line patterns that tend to produce sustained and good sized moves in the new directions (couple weeks to couple months, several hundred percent or more of margin). But as always this just probability, and if action goes opposite enough to turn lines then will have to adjust.


Note: For anyone interested, a former subscriber, "Ashan," has been writing a trading journal on the Elite Trader web site (www.elitetrader.com). Look in lower right hand corner of site for "Other Forums and Threads." Then it's about the fifth group down under "Journals" and is called "My Chick Goslin Intelligent Futures journal."

It's quite good and you might find it interesting. His results have been excellent. It is an accurate view of what successful short to intermediate term trading actually is. No magic. No "genius" predicting of the future. No great market "calls." Just constant, day by day grinding it out. Observing and trying to identify price energy flows and then betting on continuation of any clear flows. Simply making best decisions can on a case by case basis. Decisions based on sound, proven trading rules. Just persistently and consistently playing probabilities. This is really all we can do, fortunately for us that can be enough.

Chick Goslin


I called Chick today and we talked for a bit. Some things we talked about:

-A big wording error I've been making is with my order terminology, for example saying I bought a short or a sold off my short positions. This can do a lot of harm, Chick mentioned a few examples from his broker days when this mistake caused orders to flip backwards or unintentionally double up. So from now on I'll be more careful with that. Also I'll try to use "exiting X position" to keep my wording clean.


-A problem with sizing large is that it subconsciously makes riding through short term movements against my positions much tougher. This compels me to pull my stops closer so that a stop would block against a bad single day movement. Chick noted this causes a lot of positions to fail because we really need a good enough safety zone for our positions to work. Single days movements much like intraday movements can be prone to random, "noisy" fluctuations. Chick said it would be much better if I lightened my positions and widened my stops by a good margin. I'll be doing this from now on. It will help me stayed focused on ignoring the short term noise and sticking with solid, more predictable price energy flows.


-In times of potential trend changes or weak trends, it is ok to treat a strong ML as the trend. This is very interesting. I don't want to start overusing this rule, but thinking back I have had much success going with strong ML cycles in neutral trending markets.

First market that comes to mind is bonds. Most recent example was when I shorted on anticipation of the ML turning down, I lost money. As ML continued to turn I felt the short side once again had a good case and this new down cycle in the ML has posted good profits in that market (and contiues to do so for my single bond short position)


-In addition to the "trend/ML substituting" rule we can also discount an extreme SL when the ML is strong enough, that even a large counter-ML price spike would not be enough to change the SL enough to change the ML (I hope that makes sense)

The reasoning for this is intrinsic: If even a large price spike is not enough to change intermediate term price flow, then it is probably not significant and will be short lived. Also when these strong ML cycles push price especially in a big down market like we are experiencing, it is very hard for the market to quickly come up with enough buyers for a large, significant price reversal. Short term fluctuations will always happen but much less so here, so 1-2 days of rally in a strong downcycle ML market are about all one can expect and make for a good shorting opportunity.

-I asked Chick about the recent situation across the currencies, metals, and energies. He said he was very bullish in all 3 until crude lost upside momentum and then had a couple days where it plummeted. The first one ended up being insignificant, the second time when crude fell from 145 to 136 is what sent him a big red flag. He said after that happened his outlook across currencies and metals changed and he went from considering moves in each market to be extreme bullish, to neutral or having potential downside pressure (which is what we have gotten)

Now with significant reversals in all markets, there is a great opportunity for the short side. Markets tend to fall much faster than they go up which can mean big short side profits. People also tend to underestimate the size of these moves so although most markets look oversold, there is a lot more potential left for those who are willing to ride through some rally reversals. Of course outlooks can and do change but that is the current picture.

-Chick spots high or lower highs and lows in the SL and ML more aggressively than I do. I made a note of this mentally. Sometimes i discredit the SL too mcuh, but there is a lot of wisdom hidden in that little line for someone who can read it properly. I'll be paying more attention to these high/low patterns and divergences. Hopefully I'll balance it well without giving too much weight to it.
 
Having Chick say your commentary is "quite good" was high praise indeed. I also owe my start in successful commodities trading to Chick's books and newsletters.

My hat is off to your for running this journal. I also agree that Chick's generosity is, to say the least, inspiring. Something I hope one day I can also share with others.

Thanks for taking the time to put this together. I may not always comment but I'm sure to be a regular. I like what I'm seeing here.
 
Quote from gwjr:

Having Chick say your commentary is "quite good" was high praise indeed. I also owe my start in successful commodities trading to Chick's books and newsletters.

My hat is off to your for running this journal. I also agree that Chick's generosity is, to say the least, inspiring. Something I hope one day I can also share with others.

Thanks for taking the time to put this together. I may not always comment but I'm sure to be a regular. I like what I'm seeing here.

Ditto.....Ashan...you have a great a journal here...I may not post much...but I follow your journal every day...keep up the good work buddy :)
 
Thanks guys, hope your trading benefits as well!

Sunday evening comments from Chick

Worth noting that all the stock indexes had upside weekly reversals this past week (made lower lows for move then closed higher on week). This is reliable indication of significant turning point in many markets, and especially in stocks. Long term subscribers know I have pointed out weekly reversals in stocks a number of times in past and each of those times proved to be significant turning points.

Momentum line patterns in stock indexes remain very positive and still the types that tend to lead to good sized, sustained up moves. Stock indexes a little short term overbought at moment since SL's a little high so may need to pause or dip a little next few days or so, but maybe not; sometimes patterns like this do not have much in way of pauses. When momentum turns this nicely after long period of extreme pessimism, subsequent up moves tend to surprise in terms of early strength and duration.

Vix gave good sign of significant top this week when it dropped so much after Weds up move.

Only problem with longs in stocks here is trend still clearly down and over years have lost a lot of money on trades where had everything going for me but the trend, regardless prefer to risk making similar mistake here since see so many short to intermediate term positives and see so much short to intermediate term upside potential.

Patterns in interest rate markets remain solidly negative and so pressure there should continue to downside.

Currencies still tough to call. Trends and momentum line patterns are still on positive side, but prefer to pass on longs with so many other markets giving such clear signs reversing their trends. Continue to see good upside potential in Yen, but action of past two days disappointing and will need some stability or upside to justify longs. Overall in currencies would rather see little more action next few days than be long any of these at moments, and on technical basis no real case for short side yet (other than negative warning sign that positive patterns of past couple weeks have not produced much, or any, upside).

Continue to see overall patterns in crude complex and nat gas as quite negative and the type that tend to lead to good sized, sustained down moves, especially now that trends down or turning down. Rule when have ML's coming down this hard is that any day or two up tend to be good shorting opportunities. Only problem with short side of these markets is always have big news event upside risk, i.e., weather or political/war caused supply disruptions can produce big upside moves regardless any negative technicals.

Pictures in precious metals continuing to turn increasingly negative with the very negative relative strength situation (Platinum by far weakest/most negative, followed now by silver and then gold - Plat and Silver have strong tendency to lead Gold) still the most significant bearish factor. On charts and lines Gold still marginally positive, but picture weakening rapidly and any more down Monday will turn it neutral. COT data becoming increasingly more negative for Gold as well, with commercials adding second week of 30K plus contracts to short side in past three weeks. Have seen this happen before for two, three weeks and then seen big down moves, so this a decent downside warning sign. So if I were long any gold/silver I would put them on very strict probation (up or out Monday) unless ready to ride through possible extended downside pressure (personally would not be long here, but cannot be short yet due to up trend and marginally positive line patterns).

Copper shorts still fully justified, but becoming a little concerned by lack of down past few days, but sideways still a little more negative than positive, although another day or two of sideways and may be time to put shorts on probation.

Grain patterns remain negative, but now getting quite short term oversold. Still have weather risk, but evidently good rains this weekend. Bean Oil and Wheat closest to having lines positive enough to justify some longs, with corn the most negative of group basis chart/lines.

Cocoa and Sugar (and Coffee) all have negative patterns and "should" still be fine for trading from short side (as long as ML's on clear down cycles and this will remain case for at least another few days). Cotton "should" be going down here and it's an upside warning sign that it is not, but can make case to give it another day or two, although not if see close above 73.75 - 74.00 basis Dec.

Bottom line: Past week was a wild one but produced decent signs put in some significant market reversals. Future always unknown and situations could change again rapidly (I started last week positioned and looking for big down in stocks and big up in gold & currencies, but changes in markets Tues/Weds required almost complete reversal of these positions), and now, at least at moment, looks like headed for period of stocks up and commodities down.

I put out the first of these recent comments last week because felt had big up move coming in gold/european currencies, but then had to switch when crude broke down on Tues. Will probably not put out any more of these for while now since (hopefully) due for some continuation of these new price energy flows (stocks up, commodities down), but future always unknown and if action surprises will have to adjust accordingly.
 
Forum said to shorten my post to less than 10,000 characters, that's what happens when you put Chick's commentary in the same post as mine :p


I'm personally expecting a good day in NQ tomorrow, at the very least good in terms of relative strength. NQ had the best pattern a few days ago and suddenly every other index has SLs accelerating to the upside and MLs turning up steeply, while NQ looks lethargic.

However if there is some downside tomorrow I can't be too disappointed, The YM and ER2 both have SLs on highs (ES and NQ not so much) Always hesitant to stay in a trade for a long time when trend is against me but Chick mentioned this also and says he sees the picture as positive enough here to take this risk, which is significant. I really can't seeing price falling much mroe from these levels, then again i could have said that about a month ago as well!


Mentally difficult to short natural gas once again at these levels but downside risk/reward looks about as good as it can get, it's just the short term lines are looking like a ball falling off a cliff and ready to make a serious rebound. But everyone else is surely thinking the same. I was considering, waiting for a rally to fade but in a market this weak this opportunity may not even come. I feel it is more risky to not be positioned than to wait to the sidelines. So I shorted another big contract at 10.552 on friday. Stops are wide to guard against a sharp news spike.

I like Chick's comments about the copper trade, it made me ponder how he decides when a market deserves a couple more days to work vs strict probation (good performance or out the next day) That'll be a question to ask him next time I call. Despite the SL on an upcycle, ML will continue to the downside for at least a couple days (from dropping very high SL numbers) SL itself is on a bullish divergence with price and price did not hold its gains from an early rally after SL initially turned up. Trend is even down weakly. I am still comfortable with my heavy short position, though a little less after Chick mentioned the lack of downside being a concern in a couple days.

I'm still a bit wary of the grains after some poor results in wheat, nothing too serious but a string of bad trades in a market tends to make me want to avoid it for a little while. Like Chick says, corn has been on almost a month long down cycle in the ML and although it has at least a little more to go, SL is on extreme lows and now pointing up. Even a modest rally will boost the very negative SL up quite a bit (it will even come up with price staying neutral) and ML is ready to deteriorate quickly if price/SL strengthens.

Too many good opportunities elsewhere to focus on this group, although soybeans is looking a lot like natural gas from two weeks ago (Previously strong trend still up but suddenly at risk of turning, ML/SL both dropping from highs and making series of lower lows and highs on the way down)

Obviously Chick correctly anticipated the cocoa market. Trend was/is still marginally up and not able to anticipate down yet so I guess this is another example of Chick using experience or other factors to read past the trend line. Even now after I've picked his brain and had some good experiences with the method I can feel like a newbie trader when a market move that is able to be anticipated eludes me. ML was strongly down and now SL is down but to me the situation looked quite unappealing for a short last week.

Still trying to backwards analyze this which may be a wasted effort. Ever since I have watched the cocoa market it has not respected a ML downcycle for that long, cocoa seemed to be on a perpetual wave motion to the upside, with some occasional large corrections. It will be interesting to see if this market falls below the 2550 area. If it won't break that area I'll still be leaning towards this market as a long term bull market.

The large downspike in sugar was enough to neutralize the trend. SL is at lows so I'm waiting for a rally to short this one. I could just short it now like natural gas but I'm already positioned in other heavy commodity shorts, so not being in this market until a rally is somewhat of an aggressive hedge against the upside.

High reward potential in most markets is the reason for putting in a lot of money and letting it work with wide stops. The plan is to brace for some short term upside pressure (downside in stocks) because some most markets are feeling like they need some upside relief, even if only a quick one, before continuing with strong, sharp bear market selloffs back to more "reasonable" levels. Fortunately I'm at that point in time where I don't know where my balance is so losses don't affect me even on days of big losses. This seems to be the time when I trade the best actually. Much easier to disregard losses and focus on the longer term movements right now.

Chick has seen these before and its nothing new to him. Probably one of the things I ask him about most is what the markets tend to do longer term, he doesn't say anything surprising (they can trend up or down for a long time, longer than most people think, or sometimes get stuck in a long sideways range) but living a term bull/bear market cycle and talking about them are 2 different things. It would have been downright scary for me to short natural gas alone without Chick's guidance. I'd probably be looking at it by now but insisting that the SL come up some (ie have an price flow against the actual trend) before doing anything. Funny how it takes a veteran to remind how markets move up or down. Some long sideways pauses and these endless short term fluctuations can distort such an obvious pattern for someone who hasn't seen these cycles repeated over and over.

Here are pics of the metal situation. In short what Chick said is the lines are good for gold/silver, but relative strength is very negative.





 
Ashan-

When you/Chick speak of Relative Strength with respect to Metals, are you meaning that Platinum and Silver should be leading Gold, and not the other way around?

TIA
 
Yes that is correct which is counterintuitive because we think of gold as the primary market. But the relative strength pattern is Platinum leading, Silver in the middle, Gold at the end. If any of them disagree with each other then the relative strength signal is not that strong.


Stocks had another 2 sided day and then dropped a good amount in the aftermarket. Very hard to tell if this is true downside strength or not. However apparently more big stocks failed to meet earnings today. Chick also said last week that Monday may see more weakness, but then after that lack of up would be more significant.

Finally got some decent relative strength in stocks with YM closing the weakest, NQ and ES about even. ER2 was still the most positive but then dropped the most in the aftermarket (though all dropped a good amount) All indexes except NQ have SL on highs and getting ready to turn. NQ's SL did not make recent highs, but has already turned down from a slightly higher high. So if NQ intends to catch up it now has a chance to shine.

Most other markets do not seem materially changed. Bonds had a decent up day but not what one would expect after a decent up day in stocks AND bonds being oversold with SL on recent lows (I'd expect more up than this) So I sill like my short position.

Energies diverged today with crude having a smll up day and natural gas slightly down. Normally these two aren't supposed to correlate that well but lately they have been. Natural gas has not had any decent upside pressur for a while now and make need one to shake up downside speculators. Doubtful this is that big of an issue compared to before when there was a long, very obvious trend to the upside though.

Copper went up a little, nothing significant. Chick noted that sideways here is more negative than positive but to a point. In 10+ days now trend will start dropping significantly lower values from a 3 week dip. This anticipation is too much though, "normal" anticipation up to 10 days off the end of the trend line shows trend to still be slightly down. The ML is still dropping higher values, but SL is positoned to go up enough to flatten the ML in a couple days if there isn't good downside soon. Chick's comment of giving this market a few more days before probation makes more sense to me now. There may be other reasons but the sideways action would have still been more negative for another few days because of what he knew the lines were going to show these days if price held this area.

Small up day in cocoa but neutral to slightly down in coffee, sugar, cotton. Will probably add a few shorts today. Sugar has the most negative ML, and since trend is flat ML can be treated as a strong downtrend, but SL is at lows so this market is similar to natural gas. SL can be discounted when ML is this extreme so I'm adding some shorts.
 
Late night comments:

As always pay attention to any of the following at your own risk.

Mentioned Friday that stocks had some downside vulnerability next couple days and unfortunately getting this. Still see enough positive signs to feel recent lows will hold and headed decently higher, but trend down, NDX weakest and market short term overbought and these all decent negatives, and more so when come at same time. Basis lines sidelines indicated since now strongly crosscurrent. However, if can survive next day or two, would set up potentially very positive patterns, but has to do this first.

Basis lines can make legitimate case to be/go long any of the currencies (a little bit of stretch for Yen since trend little down there). If upside good from here, and with trends up easily could be, then "should" not trade, and especially not close, back below area of Friday's closes/lows. So stops not to far and if gets going could run.

Same with gold. Can make decent case to buy in anticipation of short term momentum turning up and giving line pattern buy signal. Don't like being/going long Gold when it's strongest of group since it tends to follow Platinum and Silver, not lead, but lines more important than relative strength, and any up Tuesday will give buy signal. If upside good from here, and since trend clearly up easily could be regardless of other indicators (relative strength, COT), also would not expect to see price back below area of Friday close/low.


Still an undecided question whether last week's reversals were aberrations or beginning of new trends. Size of some of the moves leads me to believe they were "real," but always best to go by the lines more than anything else.
At moment lines say can be/go long currencies and gold, and sidelines probably best in stocks.

IF this case then may see more reversals in other markets, at least for day or two, so might be time to take some profits on other markets till see what happens with dollar and stocks. Just cannot get much in way of continuation these days so have to be able to change positions quickly.
I believe stocks have made a significant low, and if that's case then doubt currencies and gold will do much on upside. However, moves so fast and big these days it's very dangerous to be on wrong side of short term momentum, and at moment short term momentum shifting back down in stocks and back up in currencies and gold.

Chick Goslin


As said before Chick is good at constantly re-evaluating a situation Not getting too attached to one side, something I feel I do too mcu hand am tryign to work on. Couple days ago stocks were looking good for a bull run, now situation has too much risk. Commodities were also looking very negative, now short term upside risk is high.

I dumped NQ, bonds, copper, natural gas, cocoa. The natural gas contract was especially tough to exit but better safe than sorry. Sugar was still looking very short term negative, almost as strong as NG, so I shorted 4 contracts there. The sugar market is fairly independent so even if there is general strength tomorrow it should not be too much of a factor.

I longed 2.5 full euro contracts and 2 gold. Not a mind reader but I think today's "pause" or slight up in many markets (energies, currencies, metals, softs) helped turn Chick a bit short term bullish so once again the more positive markets are looking appealing on their reward potential vs risk. Platinum's recent dive concerned me but gold was still tempting on the long side. Markets always open to change so maybe this is the right side, if not I'll re-evaluate tomorrow.
 
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