Must see: The Great Global Warming Swindle
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If you had read more of the thread besides the first page, you would have seen my complete viewpoint on this. I don't disbelieve the human contribution to global warming, I simply view all conclusions both pro and con with a skeptical eye. It's because I'm a scientist, not a "true believer" in some ecological religion.
Many radical environmentalists seem to believe there would be no negative consequences to the global environment if policies are implemented based on causes that turn out to be incorrect. I was around when self rightous know-it-alls stopped construction of any new nuclear power plants. The result of those ideas and actions has been a significant increase in the CO2 levels. My point is that you better well know the exact causes of the problem and the potential consequences of your "solution" before implementation. Backfires can be highly destructive.
Add to that the poison spewed forth by coal burning power plants, the mercury pollution of the oceans fish is directly from that and the really laughable thing is that the coal contains lots of radioactive material and the coal burners are spewing more radioactive stuff than nukes ever could.
I hate this hysterical pseudo science garbage that we are subject too continually and the politicians that are riding the waves of it as well. There has to be some way to get some real science, with debate, with input from all sources possible, into the legislative process up front before these decisions are made.
Environmentalists have made more disasters than they averted and they are still pretty much stuck on the position that we should all stop using energy. They are not for any kind of energy at all. They never say that publicly but that is their basic position. Nature good -mankind intruder that must be eliminated....
I saw a film of a guy protesting a nuclear plant in the name of Buddha or Yin and Yang or some such, he poured gasoline on himself and lit it in the background while a tv guy was interviewing a girl in the foreground. priceless... one down, a bunch more to go, base your life on hysteria and there ya go.
Here is a timely article from one of my trade rags about Ontario's switch from coal.
A few interesting factoids about Ontario:
1) per capita electric energy consumption that is 55 percent higher than in New York or California.
2) Canada ... is so far out of compliance [with the Kyoto treaty] that it is even further from controlling its emissions than is the United States, which has been roundly condemned in Europe for refusing to accept the terms of the treaty.
Unbelievable. All my idyllic visions of the great white north, filled with happy socialists thinking of "the greater good", poof!
A few interesting factoids about Ontario:
1) per capita electric energy consumption that is 55 percent higher than in New York or California.
2) Canada ... is so far out of compliance [with the Kyoto treaty] that it is even further from controlling its emissions than is the United States, which has been roundly condemned in Europe for refusing to accept the terms of the treaty.
Unbelievable. All my idyllic visions of the great white north, filled with happy socialists thinking of "the greater good", poof!
To claim that the "average normal" temperature of the ocean and atmosphere has risen 1 degree over the last few decal or century is simply not realistic. It is hard enough to determine the average temperature of a Wal-Mart Super Store with people activity over a month!!! You are going to have more than a few degrees different from different part of Wal-Mart over a month with cooling and warming change of the day and night. You can only control with huge AC/heater within a few degrees in the Wal-Mart "weather" system which is so much smaller and simpler when compare with the earth. How it is possible to determine a small change in the huge global weather system is beyond me. Yes, while the earth is turning constantly and cycling and receiving heat from the Sun.
What about the ocean level risen a few millimeters? How would one even set the original level and with all the wave, tidal change and season change?
Where and how would one determine the earth's "normal average" temperature? Of course one has to determine what normal and average first? But, still where and over how long a period do we determine the normal average temperature? How long ago was the thermometer invented? A few hundred years? Yes, we have to guess, estimate the temperature for the earth a hundred years ago. There is no accuracy there! And before the thermometer was invented, there was NO temperature, there was no degree. There was only hot, cold, too hot and too cold. OK there was the just right!
Next, one must somehow determine and point the finger and say:â Human caused global warming." Do we really know the cause of a very small change of such a huge weather system?
I am not even going to argue that the earth may be warming. However, do we know the sun that is NOT causing it? Or whatever we proposed to do about global warming would even have any effect, given that human have NEVER done anything to the earth that are BOTH long term and global in history.
Can anyone name a few "things" that human did, to the earth, that have been proven to be long term and global?
That is, whatever the human did, it must affect a very large area, let say a few thousand square miles and the effect last for at least a few hundred years?
None, I cannot of thing of a thing that human has done to the earth that are both long term and global.
The Pyramid in Egypt may have been there may be a few thousand years, but it is not global. The Great Wall of China have existed a couple of thousand years and is long and narrow for a few thousand mile but still it is not global. All oil spills in history in the ocean or land are not global and not long term. You cannot tell it ever happen after, let say 30 years. Nuclear accident in Chernobyl may last a thousand years, but it affects a very small area but not global.
Remember the oil field burning in the first Iraq war? Give it another 20 year, or 40 year, no one can even tell it ever happened except from history book.
Remember the atomic bombs, nuclear bombs test; they are all local and not global.
This global warming hysteria is Chicken Little: "The sky is falling! The sky is falling".
What about the ocean level risen a few millimeters? How would one even set the original level and with all the wave, tidal change and season change?
Where and how would one determine the earth's "normal average" temperature? Of course one has to determine what normal and average first? But, still where and over how long a period do we determine the normal average temperature? How long ago was the thermometer invented? A few hundred years? Yes, we have to guess, estimate the temperature for the earth a hundred years ago. There is no accuracy there! And before the thermometer was invented, there was NO temperature, there was no degree. There was only hot, cold, too hot and too cold. OK there was the just right!
Next, one must somehow determine and point the finger and say:â Human caused global warming." Do we really know the cause of a very small change of such a huge weather system?
I am not even going to argue that the earth may be warming. However, do we know the sun that is NOT causing it? Or whatever we proposed to do about global warming would even have any effect, given that human have NEVER done anything to the earth that are BOTH long term and global in history.
Can anyone name a few "things" that human did, to the earth, that have been proven to be long term and global?
That is, whatever the human did, it must affect a very large area, let say a few thousand square miles and the effect last for at least a few hundred years?
None, I cannot of thing of a thing that human has done to the earth that are both long term and global.
The Pyramid in Egypt may have been there may be a few thousand years, but it is not global. The Great Wall of China have existed a couple of thousand years and is long and narrow for a few thousand mile but still it is not global. All oil spills in history in the ocean or land are not global and not long term. You cannot tell it ever happen after, let say 30 years. Nuclear accident in Chernobyl may last a thousand years, but it affects a very small area but not global.
Remember the oil field burning in the first Iraq war? Give it another 20 year, or 40 year, no one can even tell it ever happened except from history book.
Remember the atomic bombs, nuclear bombs test; they are all local and not global.
This global warming hysteria is Chicken Little: "The sky is falling! The sky is falling".
You are not a true believer! Die heretic! 