Muslim Terrorists killing soldiers inside Canada

der_kommissar said:
Before I left here a few years back, there was an old gay man from Canada who frequently corrected everyone's grammar, while ignoring the substance of the post. He was wildly liberal, frequently jumping into to defend any pet cause that he deemed worthy of his "superior intellect" and generally talking down to any conservatives as if they were knuckle dragging cretins.

I believe he was Gabfly and an assortment of other aliases.

Any chance this db cat is just another alias of his?
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No chance. Same sickness, different idiot.
 
jem said:
This speculation could well be close to reality. Well done.

I would add that Ricter is an admitted commie wanna be.

and I suspect DB is a paid troll who makes posting here less attractive because of the way he tries to re-frame your statements or the issue. In short he douches up many threads.
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Ricter admitted the communism thing, but I'm pretty sure it was sarcastic when he said it. Nevertheless, he does subscribe to a lot of the same beliefs. As for DB getting paid to post, I don't know.
 
Canadian officials identify shooter in brazen attack on Parliament complex
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/10/22/soldier-shot-at-war-memorial-near-canadian-parliament/

Canadian authorities late Wednesday identified the shooter in a brazen attack on the Parliament complex in Ottawa that left a soldier dead as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, 32, Fox News has confirmed.


The shooting, which left the nation's capital on lockdown, came just two days after a terror attack in Quebec.


A government official told Fox that investigators believe Zehaf-Bibeau, who was killed at the scene, had changed his name from Joseph Michael Hall. U.S. agencies also have been advised he was believed to be a convert to Islam and was from Quebec.
 
The one thing that is troubling especially about the last guy who ran over two people is that the authorities already had the guy in custody, and they knew he had radicalised. They already grabbed the last guy when he booked a 1 way flight to turkey, and they let him go. There is something to be said about places like quantanamo, and the constant surveillance we live under, it may be a rank invasion of privacy but it seems to have gotten the job done. Now the question is how many innocent lives is our privacy worth. It seems we are now in a position where we can fully defend one or the other but not both at the same time, so now its all about finding how many innocent lives, are worth how much privacy, surely there is a number somewhere in there.,

The biggest problem about these loan terrorists, is that it is hard to arrest and detain a person even if they have a facebook page full of threats to the country. This represents the biggest problem now, apparently ISIS has some guy from the states from MIT who knows how to work social media right now, and id say by any judgment hes been good at getting loan wolfs to pop off, which is much more dangerous to us.

The other day there was 3 young girls who actually wanted to voluntarily sign up for ISIS, and it makes you wonder WTF they are telling them cause anyone who is a woman in particular would be a moron to move to a place where they will be oppressed and brutalised.

gwb-trading said:
Canadian officials identify shooter in brazen attack on Parliament complex
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/10/22/soldier-shot-at-war-memorial-near-canadian-parliament/

Canadian authorities late Wednesday identified the shooter in a brazen attack on the Parliament complex in Ottawa that left a soldier dead as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, 32, Fox News has confirmed.

The shooting, which left the nation's capital on lockdown, came just two days after a terror attack in Quebec.

A government official told Fox that investigators believe Zehaf-Bibeau, who was killed at the scene, had changed his name from Joseph Michael Hall. U.S. agencies also have been advised he was believed to be a convert to Islam and was from Quebec.
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Max, I would counter that had guns been allowed in cockpits, airport security defederalized, and a more rational immigration policy tightly enforced, 911 and these Canadian incidents wouldn't have happened.

We have a problem with immigration. It's not John Smith or Richard Adams blowing things up. It's Usef Albahadi on a student visa, and Rama Hussein who was naturalized 2 weeks ago. 95% of all North American terrorism is perpetrated by foreign nationals.

As for the NSA, there's a cost to freedom, sure. There's also a cost to invasive Government spying, and rescinding liberty in the name of security. While the NSA may have identified these Canadian terrorists beforehand, it didn't stop the attacks. On the flip side, the NSA is now used to blackmail the executive, judiciary, military and Congressional branches of Government with dirt they find and use to steer the direction of the country. Sort of a shadow Government. Snowden revealed that, as has William Binney (former NSA director, turned whistleblower).

Now to have the entire democratic process thwarted in this country by some military thugs at the NSA, in exchange for identifying a few towel-heads before they pop off their shotguns, never. That's a fool errand and totally dangerous. We're already in red level danger zone with how the NSA operates and has been operating for the past ~20 odd years. It's a gigantic blackmailing operation. ISIS is just theater to keep us distracted from the real issues, at home.
 
gwb-trading said:
Over the past couple years, more Canadian soldiers have been killed by Muslim terrorists inside Canada than outside.

Similar to many countries in Europe, Canada has a serious Islamic radicalization issue with many mosques openly preaching hate unabated.

The latest incident involved a Islamic terrorist running down two soldiers with his car deliberately - killing one.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/1...de-martin-rouleaus-rapid-decent-to-extremism/

I expect the proper solution should involve deporting those who are radicalizing others, however the first step is recognizing you have a problem. The Canadian government seems oblivious even as the body count goes up every month - instead they treat the problem as the equivalent of standard domestic crime.
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The day you go out to buy a bottle of milk and a militia guy asks you to return home wear something else; people will realize how dangerous this cancer is. It has left 200,000 dead in Algeria, but those are Africains who gives a shit; when secular muslims ask for assistance and help from the west their enemies get helped because those movements were most of the time at left. The west preferred to finance pro-capitalist movements to counter them; they forgot they were raising the most abject specie in the universe. Now we have it in the ...It can get worse, unfortunately!
 
I dont disagree with anything you said, frankly the odds of getting hit by a terrorist stike is worse than being hit by lightning or being bit by a shark. All Im pointing out is that things like the NSA and gunatanamo exist for a reason, and they seem to be doing a good job keeping us safe. Now the question is whether youd sack privacy to be safe or accept a few of these terrorist attacks year after year, IMO ill take the terrorist attacks over the surveillance state. I dont like it, but id take my chances in the free world, but at some point there is a number where people would agree to sack their freedom to be protected. For example what if we had 100,000 attacks per year, what if we had a million?

In the words of milton friedman, "We arent arguing about principle, we are just arguing about the number"


achilles28 said:
Max, I would counter that had guns been allowed in cockpits, airport security defederalized, and a more rational immigration policy tightly enforced, 911 and these Canadian incidents wouldn't have happened.

We have a problem with immigration. It's not John Smith or Richard Adams blowing things up. It's Usef Albahadi on a student visa, and Rama Hussein who was naturalized 2 weeks ago. 95% of all North American terrorism is perpetrated by foreign nationals.

As for the NSA, there's a cost to freedom, sure. There's also a cost to invasive Government spying, and rescinding liberty in the name of security. While the NSA may have identified these Canadian terrorists beforehand, it didn't stop the attacks. On the flip side, the NSA is now used to blackmail the executive, judiciary, military and Congressional branches of Government with dirt they find and use to steer the direction of the country. Sort of a shadow Government. Snowden revealed that, as has William Binney (former NSA director, turned whistleblower).

Now to have the entire democratic process thwarted in this country by some military thugs at the NSA, in exchange for identifying a few towel-heads before they pop off their shotguns, never. That's a fool errand and totally dangerous. We're already in red level danger zone with how the NSA operates and has been operating for the past ~20 odd years. It's a gigantic blackmailing operation. ISIS is just theater to keep us distracted from the real issues, at home.
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A Russian's perspective on foreign policy. Seems a whole lot closer to the truth than what we hear over here.
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• How To Start A War And Lose An Empire (Dmitry Orlov)

A year and a half I wrote an essay on how the US chooses to view Russia, titled The Image of the Enemy. I was living in Russia at the time, and, after observing the American anti-Russian rhetoric and the Russian reaction to it, I made some observations that seemed important at the time. It turns out that I managed to spot an important trend, but given the quick pace of developments since then, these observations are now woefully out of date, and so here is an update. [..] … what a difference a year and a half has made! Ukraine, which was at that time collapsing at about the same steady pace as it had been ever since its independence two decades ago, is now truly a defunct state, with its economy in free-fall, one region gone and two more in open rebellion, much of the country terrorized by oligarch-funded death squads, and some American-anointed puppets nominally in charge but quaking in their boots about what’s coming next.

Syria and Iraq, which were then at a low simmer, have since erupted into full-blown war, with large parts of both now under the control of the Islamic Caliphate, which was formed with help from the US, was armed with US-made weapons via the Iraqis. Post-Qaddafi Libya seems to be working on establishing an Islamic Caliphate of its own. Against this backdrop of profound foreign US foreign policy failure, the US recently saw it fit to accuse Russia of having troops “on NATO’s doorstep,” as if this had nothing to do with the fact that NATO has expanded east, all the way to Russia’s borders. Unsurprisingly, US–Russia relations have now reached a point where the Russians saw it fit to issue a stern warning: further Western attempts at blackmailing them may result in a nuclear confrontation. The American behavior throughout this succession of defeats has been remarkably consistent, with the constant element being their flat refusal to deal with reality in any way, shape or form.

Just as before, in Syria the Americans are ever looking for moderate, pro-Western Islamists, who want to do what the Americans want (topple the government of Bashar al Assad) but will stop short of going on to destroy all the infidel invaders they can get their hands on. The fact that such moderate, pro-Western Islamists do not seem to exist does not affect American strategy in the region in any way. Similarly, in Ukraine, the fact that the heavy American investment in “freedom and democracy,” or “open society,” or what have you, has produced a government dominated by fascists and a civil war is, according to the Americans, just some Russian propaganda. Parading under the banner of Hitler’s Ukrainian SS division and anointing Nazi collaborators as national heroes is just not convincing enough for them. What do these Nazis have to do to prove that they are Nazis, build some ovens and roast some Jews? Just massacring people by setting fire to a building, as they did in Odessa, or shooting unarmed civilians in the back and tossing them into mass graves, as they did in Donetsk, doesn’t seem to work.

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