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So my question remains , opposed to all those Christians and the NT , what do you say are his words, where if not the from the NT ,did Jesusâ teachings come to be whatever they are?
I might choose to tell you through private message, if I thought you cared, or were ready. If you cared or were ready, you would probably have found them by now, since they are readily available to the general public. They are hiding in plain view so-to-speak. I donât want the issue to become, well, his words are over here in this library, or over there in that bookstore (ie. Amazon, BarnesNobles ect). The words are ultimately written on your heart. So if you read the NT honestly, and read between the lines, you could get the message if you wanted to believe it (the message). But if you didnât want to believe it, you would not be able to read the NT honestly. This is the problem Christians are having. They donât really want to believe Jesus, and have made up something else (false) that substitutes for belief in Jesus.
Jesusâ words (words that authentically represent the teaching legacy of the historical Jesus) are available at Amazon and BarnesNoble (etc.) because someone was willing to listen from âwithinâ to the words that are written on the âheartâ of anyone with a âmindâ. Only those who are willing to listen âwithinâ will be able to identify those words as the words of "Jesus". Rather, only those âwith ears to hereâ will be able to tell that they come from the same Spirit of Truth that Jesus allowed to speak through his persona, once he had removed obstacles to communication (ie. a false sense of âselfâ). You would think that the first in line to pick up a copy of these words would be Christians. Quite the opposite. They are the last in line, and do their best to discredit them, if they arenât able to otherwise ignore them.
Are some of them , if they even exist in reality at all, as morally reprehensible as some of Christ's words in the NT?
No. They are consistent, and consistently magnanimous. They bless, always, and never curse. They built up. They donât tear down. They forgive. They donât condemn. They include. They donât exclude. They promise a glorious destiny. They donât make threats. They tell it like it is, whether you like it or not. They donât candy-coat what a world of time/mass really represents.
Were they so, I would respond in same to you , as I do to those Christians who conveniently ignore reality by re-interpreting some deplorable teachings of Jesus into anything but what they are .
And rightly so. But I think youâll find that they are enough unlike the words given in the NT that the majority of NT believers reject them. Because they are suppressed, many NT believers are not even aware of them. They are generally not talked about in Christian circles. And when they invade their circles, the usual response is some of them will take a stand against them, and most of them will ignore them. They will dismiss them for a variety of erroneous rationale, including the rationale that says that revelation stops with NT scribblings, that the NT represents everything we need to know about Jesus, and that the NT is entirely authentic, as if it represents the authentic teaching legacy of Jesus. This attitude is basically fraudulent, but suits the ignorant just fine. Because the response is so predictably contradictory, itâs clear to me that Christianity represents an agenda that is decidedly anti-Christ. And so, I think of it as
Christi-anti. To the extent that you support their agenda, I suggest you are in league with them (ie. with Jem etc.). Iâve said it before and Iâll say it again. You, the atheist, are perhaps a little closer to the truth because you insist that the god of this world does not exist. And that is also what Jesus insisted. And at least you are not actively engaged in making the true Go(o)d appear insane, except when you insist that NT representations are authentically representative of Go(o)d and/or his messenger(s). Itâs whenever you join with Christians to sell us the NT as representative, that you support a fraud, and help them make Go(o)d appear insane. You also join them when you support a world of time/mass as real. To them, it is real because it is alledgedly granted by Go(o)d. To you it is real just because you take it for granted (ie. it's always been here etc). What you don't realize is that its alledged "reality" symbolizes another (false) god, and one not a little bit insane. It, and it's "creation" are stark raving mad.
Just like you re-interpret reality into your own reality of unreality.
Well, unreality (time/mass) is certainly in need of re-interpretation, itself being a re-interpretation (re-creation) of reality (Christ,Go(o)d, Creation).
Moreover, if you hadn't heard of Jesus Christ in the New Testament or from some Christian parroting any number of preposterous re-interpretations of it, where the hell would you ever come to know about that specific character in the first place ?
Let me put it this way, Jesus heard about "Christ" (or some other word that represents the same idea) long before there was an NT, and in spite of OT mythology which misrepresents Go(o)d (Christ) as much as the NT does. Jesus believed in Christ in spite of his Jewish background/culture. And by seeing Christ in everyone (âlove thy neighbor as thy selfâ), Jesus came to know himself as Christâ¦long before the words of Christ were available at Amazon or Barnes n Noble. And this is largely because Jesus had âears to hearâ what was written on his heart. And what was written on Jesus heart was supported moreso by âEASTERNâ scriptures than anything Hebrew (âwesternâ) scriptures offered. NT believers forget that three âwise menâ came from âthe eastâ to welcome a kindred spirit into the world. And when Jesus got older, he went east to return the favor, to finish his educationâ¦and to add to the education of the east. Today, an NT zealot will shut his ears if anything sounds like it comes from the east. Not wise at all. There are as many as 17 years missing from the NT biography of Jesus. Thatâs plenty of time to go east, finish his education, and return in time to save âthe lost sheep of the house of Israelâ. And lost they were indeed!
I think you should be a little more honest about this stuff, despite your beliefs.
I believe I donât need to tell you where to find the words of Christ/Jesus in a world of time/mass. If you wanted them, they would find you, or you would find themâ¦somehow someway (just as Jesus found them). Neither is any one specific book necessarily the form everyone needs to learn/believe the truth. There are many forms of the same messageâ¦lotsâ of bits and pieces here and there (some dating back thousands of years). But there is now a contemporary, complete and comprehensive repository of words for advanced seekers/students representing a direct transmission of Jesusâ whole philosophy/world-viewâ¦view of reality. There are cottage industries growing up around such words. And there are other transmissions, for example, from the Spirit of Truth, or from successful students of Jesus (ie. Thomas, Thaddeus/Jude) who defy the laws of time/mass to bring messages. These kinds of revelations are becoming more and more commonplace in past decades, representing a veritable feast for truth seekers. Ironically, so many pseudo-truth-seekers would rather starve on OT/NT crumbs than come to a feast that tastes at all like âthe eastâ. But the honest will come, yes, THE HONEST WILL COME TO THE FEAST.
I am not promoting a single book. I do promote "one way". I am promoting reason, honesty, and feasting through an open mind on what is already deposited in the general mind we sometimes call the âcollectiveâ (mind) for itâs salvation from its fantastic imagination (of all that is untrue). But if a single book would help, yes, there is a book that fully and authentically represents Jesusâ position, whose author is reported to be the contemporary version (omnipresent, omniscient, spirit) of the historical Jesus. In other words, it comes from that state of Being/mind that subsumed Jesus and transformed him into its Self. This Self has authored more than one book, not every one under the pseudonym (in the name of) âJesusâ. One may come from Holy Spirit/ Self. Another may come from âthe right side of our mindâ. Or, another might be generated out of a series of appearances (and disappearances) of successful, time/mass defying âstudentsâ (disciples, apostles) of Jesus and/or of his latest philosophical installation (who have become this same Being/Self). Ultimately, they all come from Self, the Savior of the Self from our non-self (ie. elves, humans, trolls, âthe worldâ).
Christ!
