mRNA For Lung Cancer
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So what. Are you sure there are 14 billion people on the planet? Lol maybe 14 billion have eat a McDonald's hamburger?
It's wrong to say still no cure. It is correct to say still no cure for many cancers. But the cures for some are remarkable. Lymphomas for example.Yep more trillions and trillions
Just keep spending the trillions because even spending trillions of dollars for some odd reason will never find the cure. Nope. Millions of people studying cancer and researching for decades and still no cure....wonder why
The basic premise underlying much cancer research is that cancer is a genetic disease. My own view is that this may be wrong, and that the connection between genetics and cancer is correlative but probably not, in general, causative. A prominent contrary view is that cancers, although they may have a genetic link, are mainly due to a metabolic disorder related to oxidative phosphorylation in mitochondria. If this latter viewpoint is correct, then I think the companies that have developed technology for manipulating cell mitochondria have a good shot at developing effective cancer cures.
...because the anecdote you describe is not a valid test of Ivermectin's effectiveness against Covid virus. The controlled tests that have been carried out show that Ivermcin is not an effective in vivo treatment for Covid virus. An anecdote you report of sudden turn around in the course of viral infections is not unusual. Ivermectin was shown in one in vitro study to be effective against Covid virus, but proved ineffective in vivo in a controlled study.
Ivermectin is a safe and effective as a treatment against parasitic worms in both Humans and animals.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
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For those inteested in Ivermectin as a treatment for Covid infection see: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115869
This is the most thorough and relaible study of Ivermectin in the treatment of Covid infections I am aware of.
This is the most thorough and relaible study of Ivermectin in the treatment of Covid infections I am aware of.
Let's carefully read -- what the manufacturer of Ivermectin, Merck, has to say about its use for Covid-19.
Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic
https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/
Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:
- No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
- No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
- A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.
They may not see scientific evidence but I have experiential evidence or anecdotal evidence if you wish to call it that. I have friends and family that were helped by ivermectin in hours and days and they overcame covid.
I am not telling anyone to take ivermection for covid. I am simply relating our experience. And stating that I have no interest in a covid vax. But, that said I am not anti-vax. I just never ever trusted that covid vax. Not enough scientific studies done on it. Lol. It was rushed out “warp speed”. Deep pockets made billions on it.
If you had a toothache and I told you to chew for 15 minutes on this tree bark and you did so and your toothache went away in 30 minutes do you need a scientific study to come to the conclusion that the tree bark was useful for toothaches? Or if the toothache came back would you reach for more tree bark or wait for a 2 year study to be done on said tree bark?
They have scientific evidence that chemo can help with cancer but in about 30% of the cases patients don’t survive chemo. Chemo can kill you.
But you never here FDA screaming stay away from chemo. It can kill you!
There is no $$$$ to be made from ivermectin but many $$$ to be made from covid vax and chemo…etc
if we watch the commercials on TV for FDA approved drugs the side effects they talk about that can happen from the drug is enough to scare people. But they are covering themselves in case someone drops over dead.
Then too we have many times in the past were scientist where wrong in their conclusions and changed their minds.
I guess each of us have to do what we think will float our boat.
Do we really think the scientific world and Pharmaceuticals are going to affirm some that they can’t make $$$$ on?
I am not a conspiracy nut but me thinks I will pass on the covid vax. However, I would never judge someone who thinks they should take it.
Multiple shots, booster shots, even Trump took booster shots sir.
I have been away dealing with some crisis the past two weeks. Things are a little more stable and I am back, want to comment on your post if you don't mind.
COVID is an infectious disease. You can infect your love ones, neighbors and therefore in a pandemic, good treatments, preventions and good public policy are very important. Enforcement to save your neighbors from you may be necessary. That is why we don't care if you are drunk at home but will arrest you if you drive drunk or pilot a commercial plane drunk.
Cancer on the other hand is not infectious so your decision to treat, with whatever, or not to treat is entirely personal. I am therefore very supportive of whatever you decide. Personal freedom of choice is our founding principle.
The advances in science, technology, medicine came after scientists followed the scientific practice:
1. You postulate a new hypothesis, discover a new compound.
2. You test your discovery with rigorous testing which follows an exact scientific protocol.
3. You published your hypothesis and test results in a peer reviewed journal.
4. Your results can be duplicated by others.
Ivermectin was discovered by a scientist from Japan and developed by another from Merck (the big bad Pharma) with this scientific method for treating parasites.
Is Ivermectin effective against COVID? Based on the published reports that followed strict scientific protocol, the answer is no, it is no better than a placebo. Perhaps the placebo effect is in display here?
However, research continues to find supportive activities in the anticancer arena. I have been reading up on it since 2020, am actually a fan and supported it with donations, hopeful that it can be developed into an anticancer drug someday. Is it there yet? No, because the proof is so far necessary but not sufficient.
The conspiracy theory that big Pharma suppresses its development is not true if you look at the number of publications on ivermectin's anticancer property. If it works, big Pharma will find a way to make money. By the way research on ivermectin is especially active in China.
Here are two articles on it, one is a clinical trial coming out of Cedar Sinai Medical Center in LA, testing it on TNBC (triple negative breast cancer), the other (from China) is a cell line and mouse model test on lung cancer.
The one on TNBC came after scientist in LA verified from cell line and mouse model that it is effective against TNBC. The one on lung cancer is a duplication of the TNBC cell line and mouse model tests on lung cancer and perhaps the next phase is a clinical trial:
https://aacrjournals.org/cancerres/.../Abstract-PO1-19-07-A-Phase-I-Study-Accessing
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37741955/
Does it work? The jury is still out as > 90% of cancer clinical trials failed to verify their trial drugs' efficacy.
What is a cancer patient to do? It is a personal choice. Our oncologist is well aware of both research but said we have not reach the stage to consider it yet.
Take care.