Moving Forward: Your Opinion of ET

[Rodney King]

Quote from marketsurfer:

Yes, bizarre. I wonder if he's ever actually looked at 'Surfer Alerts' and its predecessor threads? It would quickly be apparent to him who the trolls are.

 

[justrading]

Quote from marketsurfer:

Interesting, I agree with your premise. But how does marketsurfer derail threads? I really don't understand the animosity toward that alias. His value add is tremendous when compared to his detractors. Please enlighten me with specific examples of your claims. Thanks. Surf

Is this addressed to me? If so, would you like to re-read that paragraph?

 

[R. Raskolnikov]

Miss King,

Those are Surf's threads, he SHOULD be allowed to say what he wants there (to a certain degree). People's issue with Surf is his annoyance in many other threads which stifle discussion, particularly with regards to trading. Being a trading website, naturally people would like to discuss trading in a civilized manner and not be berated by the same anti TA drivel ad nausea.

I think some form of hybrid moderation would work well, giving the OP SOME authority but not supreme authority to moderate (ban) people, still allowing the real moderators a say.

Quote from Rodney King:

Yes, bizarre. I wonder if he's ever actually looked at 'Surfer Alerts' and its predecessor threads? It would quickly be apparent to him who the trolls are.

 

[Jack_Larkin]

Quote from justrading:

When I stumbled upon this thread, it was 84 pages long and I thought wow, the community is really into this.

Well, I've read every post, mulled over whether to say my piece (given that the decision appears to have been made), and decided I should because it would be pointless moaning about what ET becomes later if I do not state my position now.

I am opposed to self-moderation on a point of principle. Freedom of expression is too precious to be subject to the caprice of assorted individuals.

Yes, I appreciate the overwhelming sense of frustration with Surf and his ilk, if indeed there are any quite like him here. The solution to his behaving like an absolute idiot is to deal with him, not for the managers of this site to abrogate their responsibility.

Imagine anti-social behaviour taking a grip on your city, with acts of vandalism commonplace, where walking on the street means you are subject to harassment and verbal abuse. Then the mayor comes on TV and tells you he quite understands your frustration, so from now on you can deal with the problem as you see fit. I don't see that as the way things should be done.

I have also seen the complaint that this thread has been derailed by Surf. Really? Last time I checked it takes 2 hands to clap. Why wrestle with the pig and then complain when you get dirty?

We have something special here, where we can all speak our minds without self-censorship or concerns that we may end up banned for doing so. It is our responsibility to exercise that freedom within the bounds of reason. When we have a member who abuses that freedom, repeatedly and constantly, the solution must be to deal with that member and NOT to restrict freedom of expression. Do that, discard that which is good, and we allow the troll to change the fundamental nature of this community.

I don't know about you all, but the mere thought of that leaves me feeling dirty and used.

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from justrading:

Is this addressed to me? If so, would you like to re-read that paragraph?

This paragraph?

<B>Yes, I appreciate the overwhelming sense of frustration with Surf and his ilk, if indeed there are any quite like him here. The solution to his behaving like an absolute idiot is to deal with him, not for the managers of this site to abrogate their responsibility. </b>


I'm still waiting for specific examples of your claim.


surf

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from Rodney King:

Yes, bizarre. I wonder if he's ever actually looked at 'Surfer Alerts' and its predecessor threads? It would quickly be apparent to him who the trolls are.

He or she is a typical example of a parrot mind. These folks are also known as ditto heads in popular culture. They simply parrot or repeat whatever they hear. Fairly humorous but dangerous if there are more a few of them.

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from R. Raskolnikov:

Miss King,

Those are Surf's threads, he SHOULD be allowed to say what he wants there (to a certain degree). People's issue with Surf is his annoyance in many other threads which stifle discussion, particularly with regards to trading. Being a trading website, naturally people would like to discuss trading in a civilized manner and not be berated by the same anti TA drivel ad nausea.

I think some form of hybrid moderation would work well, giving the OP SOME authority but not supreme authority to moderate (ban) people, still allowing the real moderators a say.

I always act in a civil manner. My pov happens to unpopular as faith is strong in hindsight biased methods and everyone is a super trader on elite.

There is no way self moderation will work. Face the facts. It can only lead to the site shutting down.

Surf

 

[justrading]

Quote from marketsurfer:

This paragraph?

<B>Yes, I appreciate the overwhelming sense of frustration with Surf and his ilk, if indeed there are any quite like him here. The solution to his behaving like an absolute idiot is to deal with him, not for the managers of this site to abrogate their responsibility. </b>


I'm still waiting for specific examples of your claim.


surf

Interesting choice of paragraph, since the original question was,

"Interesting, I agree with your premise. But how does marketsurfer derail threads?"

which pointed to another paragraph. Guess you re-read it, recognised that I was not saying you derail threads, and did a quick switch. Typical, but fine.

You behave like an absolute idiot by;

1) consistently and repeatedly, in dozens of threads, proclaiming that TA does not work.
2) when provided with examples of successful TA traders, stating that they achieved success in previous decades, and since markets have changed, it cannot be done today. You provide no proof that markets have changed beyond 'so and so said markets are different today'.
3) claiming that solo retail traders cannot succeed without prop experience.
4) when provided with evidence that TA works today (eg Sykes) and that individuals do succeed today (eg the Japanese trader), switching tack and then returning with the same drivel all over again.
5) alternatively, engaging in semantics, to wit, claiming that TA works, but not if it is the only thing used, so if it works then it is due to money management, trade management, etc.
6) claiming that you only do all this to save newbies from the TA gurus who claim never to have losing days, yet you do not save your bile for those claims but intrude on every discussion on anything TA related with your standard spiel. Even when there is no claim of never having a losing day, you still come in and spew your usual bile.
7) accusing others of being stealth vendors, when in fact you are the one who blatantly does so, like when you posted a link to the Goodboy article on the market top with the comment "This guy knows what he is talking about". Said article contained a link to a subscription service, Dividend Trifecta if I recall.
8) displaying a complete lack of integrity as in saying if the price drivers are wrong, no more calls, then going back on your word saying it's all just theatre.

Like the punk kid who keeps baiting the dog through the gate, you go around irritating anyone who wants to have a serious discussion on TA. But as was pointed out in this thread, you are selective about who you bait and where you pull your stunts, because you are careful to avoid the ACD thread. We all know why.

You want examples? Use the search function, search for all posts by Marketsurfer containing the keyword TA or Technical Analysis. Have fun wading through the hundreds of posts that should come up.

I'm pretty sure other members of this community will be wondering why I just stop here, many will have their favourite examples of why you are an absolute idiot, but I think enough has been stated about that.

I personally don't let your miserable behaviour trouble me, but you are too obtuse to recognise that there are many on ET who get upset and distressed by your constant attacks. Yes sunshine, news flash, people are different and some just want to have serious, peaceful discussions without your bullshit screwing things up. Some people have stopped posting, some have left, because they would rather do that than be subject to your constant, repetitive garbage. If you were sensitive enough, you would see in some of the responses to you, that there are people who are genuinely upset and wondering if you are trying to drive them away or just trying to destroy ET with your trolling.

What is truly ironic is the subject of self-moderation has come up to a large extent because of YOUR behaviour. I do not want to see self-moderation here, so if you would either learn to behave yourself or get lost, that would help.

 

[justrading]

Quote from marketsurfer:

He or she is a typical example of a parrot mind. These folks are also known as ditto heads in popular culture. They simply parrot or repeat whatever they hear. Fairly humorous but dangerous if there are more a few of them.

Now this Surf is NOT an example of you being an idiot.

This is an example of you being an arse hole.

I'm quite happy to get into a pissing contest with you. I'll stand toe to toe with you for as long as I have to, but do recognise that there are people who shy away from confrontation, who would rather stop posting than have to deal with this stuff.

 

[slacker]

Quote from justrading:
You behave like an absolute idiot by;
Yes sunshine, news flash, people are different and some just want to have serious, peaceful discussions without your bullshit screwing things up. Some people have stopped posting, some have left, because they would rather do that than be subject to your constant, repetitive garbage.
What is truly ironic is the subject of self-moderation has come up to a large extent because of YOUR behaviour. I do not want to see self-moderation here, so if you would either learn to behave yourself or get lost, that would help.

Great post Justrading.... as I posted a few days ago Baron does not have to make any changes to software, only ban Surf again. Ban surf!!!! Work to create a friendly 'destination portal' where traders exchange ideas openly. There will be disagreements --- but healthy exchanges instead of the senseless foodfight covering pages and pages. What topic cannot be debated openly in just a few pages? Instead ET has this never ending compulsive posting of unhealthy drek from Surf that can never reach closure. Look at Surf's post from 10 years ago; look at his posts today. Has he learned anything? helped anyone? Made any money? (Impossible if he trades as he way he describes...)

Baron, how many times a year are you dragged into the same Surf debate? 2 or 3 times? Why?

Choices: rewrite, test and deploy new portal software --- or ban Surf. Easy business decision.