Moving Forward: Your Opinion of ET

[marketsurfer]

Quote from sheda:

I trust moderators around here to make fair decisions when reviewing the thread creators reason for removal against the content they object to. Again this has nothing to do with counter opinion this is in no way to promote group think it all comes down to the substance presented.

It absolutely has everything to do with ANY OPINION the thread started doesn't like or agree with. Otherwise, the mods would be sufficient. Just because I destroyed the TA mythos and it makes you angry-- doesn't give you the right to quash others opinions. Just a terrible idea. surf

 

[Baron]

Quote from Rodney King:

Another easy improvement would be to clean the ET sewers... quickly and aggressively ban posters using gutter language.

<code>Search for f-word: "Displaying Topics 1 to 25 of 16639"

Search for s-word: "Displaying Topics 1 to 25 of 44218"</code>

Does the ultra-low IQ / high-school dropout crowd that can express itself only by spewing four-letter words really add any value?

That example actually shows how infrequently that gutter-language is really used here. Despite the fact that the results say "topics", the returned results are actually the number of posts.

When the number of posts containing an f-word or an s-word is compared to the total number of posts overall, which is 3,348,102, the results are as follows:

The f-word only appears in posts 0.05% of the time, which is one post out of every 200 that are submitted.

The s-word only appears in 1.2% of all posts, which is one out of 120 posts that are submitted.

So based on this data, ET is clearly not the demon child that some make it out to be. :eek:

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from Jack_Larkin:

"""Ignored users are prevented from posting in threads you start""" Is how other forums (who are thriving) have implemented this idea.

That isn't giving anyone full moderation rights over their own threads thread. All it does is prevent someone they already have set on ignore from participating in a thread they created. That's all.

Unfortunately, this isn't the thread starters site. This site is driven by banter and conversation not the hoi polloi blocking folks from commenting because they don't agree or whatever reason. The thread started can personally do this already by the ignore feature-- they have no rights to decide what other readers read on their or any thread. It remains a ridiculous and site killing idea perhaps propagated by those with an agenda. surf

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from R. Raskolnikov:

I thought you only attack "ideas" and not "people"?

If this were a hybrid style moderated thread (per my suggestion), you might be receiving your first warning

Can anyone run some stats on this troll and the % of its posts directed at marketsurfer? I venture its in the 98% area----

surf

 

[R. Raskolnikov]

Makes logical sense to me, because you can't just block someone from your one thread and then go argue with them on another. It's all or nothing with that poster.

Seems fair to me. Good suggestion, JL.

Quote from Jack_Larkin:

"""Ignored users are prevented from posting in threads you start""" Is how other forums (who are thriving) have implemented this idea.

That isn't giving anyone full moderation rights over their own thread.

All it does is prevent another poster who the thread starter already has set on ignore from participating in a given thread. That's all.

Think about that, the thread starter already ignores the person, so they aren't interested in conversing with them anyway, and it's the thread starter's thread after all. It is a very soft (we aren't talking about moderation level deleting) and fair way to cut down on a lot of the ego pissing matches that contribute nothing.

I repeat from my earlier post (since you chose to continue trying to turn this into something else.):

 

[R. Raskolnikov]

The quality and substance should greatly improve, especially with regards to actual trading dialogue that too often gets commandeered by a small group of fanatical hooligans who steer the conversation away from analysis and towards blanket statements backed by hot air.

Quote from sheda:

I trust moderators around here to make fair decisions when reviewing the thread creators reason for removal against the content they object to. Again this has nothing to do with counter opinion this is in no way to promote group think it all comes down to the substance presented.

 

[Jack_Larkin]

Quote from marketsurfer:

they have no rights to decide what other readers read on their or any thread.

Actually, this is a private site and the owners decide what the rules are, including what "rights" a member has.

So don't start with that.

Quote from marketsurfer:


It remains a ridiculous and site killing idea perhaps propagated by those with an agenda. surf

Site killing? ForexFactory--the forum I gave as an example--looks pretty healthy when compared to ET. In fact, you could argue that such high amount of filtering and control is part of what makes the place thrive. (They have a higher rate of posts, greater member base, more active members, etc... also, no signs of decline like we are seeing at ET.)

Actually, before you say "site killing" again, please validate your statement by showing us a real world example where a forum 'died' solely thanks to this proposed idea.

I already provided an example of where it works (you know, because I'm trying to be helpful to Baron in this thread, and want to suggest things I know work in real life) so please back up your own statements with hard evidence if you want to argue against it.

 

[sheda]

Quote from marketsurfer:

Just because I destroyed the TA mythos and it makes you angry-- doesn't give you the right to quash others opinions. Just a terrible idea. surf

You neither make me angry or destroy anything but feel free to destroy ta in a constructive specific demonstrable way as you will be expected to when this is implemented. Insult and point to the prop shop days shall be of the past.

They have no rights to decide what other readers read on their or any thread. It remains a ridiculous and site killing idea perhaps propagated by those with an agenda. surf

Not so long ago you wanted to delete every forex related thread and ban anyone with forex in their name along with the users of that forum section, you also were fearful of trolls and oddballs damaging the site. Well there are several who are and its time it comes to an end.

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from sheda:

You neither make me angry or destroy anything but feel free to destroy ta in a constructive specific demonstrable way as you will be expected to when this is implemented. Insult and point to the prop shop days shall be of the past.



Not so long ago you wanted to delete every forex related thread and ban anyone with forex in their name along with the users of that forum section, you also were fearful of trolls and oddballs damaging the site. Well there are several who are and its time it comes to an end.

Yes, most of the trolls on this site arise from Forex related key words. This use to be a site with a majority of real professional traders in real markets like stocks and futures. I still say ban all FOREX and much of the trouble will go away.

I trust the moderators to rid the site of trouble--- if you want to play junior cop, start your own site--- this is elitetrader not vigilante TA forex freaks.com surf

 

[EPrado]

I think Baron and Mods do a fine job keeping out the psychopaths and overall "bad people". I am not discounting what they do. The problem is certain people (Surf, EMG....etc) find it necessary to pollute good threads with nonsense. Let the person who starts the thread/conversation decide what kind of content they want in the discussion THEY started. Now obviously if some psycho starts raving liking a lunatic, making threats, etc and the OP doesn't ban him, then Baron/Mods can take over and rid the bad seed. They should have full authority as it's their site to delete the people who break obvious rules.

This can only help this site and get it back on track.

Quote from R. Raskolnikov:

No, but it WAS Baron who started this thread so clearly new ideas are wanted. And it seems most people like the idea put forth by EPrado. Perhaps some modifications could be made but the overall idea has merit.