Moving Averages discussion

I am slow but am I understanding your logic correctly? Feedback appreciated!

ENTRY AT OPEN OF BAR IF:


CL.1>OP.2*1.10 current bar + previous bar = bullish not pure doji

OR

CL.1>LO.1*1.08 current bullish bar and not pure doji

OR

CL.1>CL.2*1.08 current bar close > previous bar close at least tiny bit

OR

CL.1>OP.2*1.10 (sic! Repetition to first line)

OR

(CL.1>OP.1 AND CL.1<HI.1*.97) current bullish bar and not close at high

OR

(CL.1>OP.1 AND HI.1>OP.1*1.05) current bullish bar and not pure doji


EXIT: AT CLOSE OF BAR

In my system language, CL.1 is yesterday's close. OP.2 is the Open 2 days ago. Thus, in the first instance, CL.1 is required to be 10% (*1.10) above OP.2, in order for a trade to be opened the next morning.

My point in posting this was to provide just an example of trading rules which do not require an MA or other indicator.

I always suggest to new traders that before getting involved in indicators, they first look directly at price action. Where is price in comparison to where it was just recently? And try starting with daily bars. There are many fine intraday systems that can be created just looking at price levels on daily bars.

IMO, everything in trading should be focused on simplicity and clarity.

Good luck.
 
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In my system language, CL.1 is yesterday's close. OP.2 is the Open 2 days ago. Thus, in the first instance, CL.1 is required to be 10% (*1.10) above OP.2, in order for a trade to be opened the next morning.

My point in posting this was to provide just an example of trading rules which do not require an MA or other indicator.

I always suggest to new traders that before getting involved in indicators, they first look directly at price action. Where is price in comparison to where it was just recently? And try starting with daily bars. There are many fine intraday systems that can be created just looking at price levels on daily bars.

IMO, everything in trading should be focused on simplicity and clarity.

Good luck.
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/moving-averages-discussion.349949/page-4#post-5201337
 
They say the trend is your friend.
True.
Ignore the trend and you will see how it becomes your worst enemy.
True too.

they also say the dog is man's best friend.
that does not mean I will plan my trades according to my dog.
 
I told myself I was not going to respond to threads belonging to other ET members anymore. So, I might end up regretting this, but here goes anyway...

Moving averages do indeed get a bad rap, especially on this forum. But after carefully studying price action as objectively as I possibly could (between 2011 to 2015), in the final analysis, moving averages and price ranges turned out to be the only two indicators I trusted. From the time I joined ET three years ago (August 2017), many have tried to convince me that I shouldn’t—but my experience has suggested otherwise. (Since 80% of all indicators involve a time period or an average in the calculation, why not simply use them directly?)

Last year I found a guy who concurs with my point of view. You can get a detailed explanation or description of how we view moving averages by conducting a search on YouTube using keywords: “No Nonesence Forex Baseline Patrick VP.”

(I’m referring to the video Patrick [VP] recorded a year ago—not the one Dave recorded last month.)

For example, by simply glancing at the slope of the yellow, red, and blue moving averages on this chart and their positional relationships with one another, it becomes fairly obvious to me as to when price begins rising and when it starts falling.

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And from my perspective, the problem with latency or lag is easily handled by dropping down to a lower time frame. Unlike any other system with which I’m familiar, the way I incorporate moving averages has been to identify a specific baseline to track the direction of price from the perspective of each temporal context of interest to me (i.e., one-minute, five-minute, fifteen-minute, thirty-minute, and sixty-minute time frames). In other words, I do not use the conventional 10-, 20-, 50-, 100- and 200-period MAs.

This means that if I were to use SMA (10) to track the hourly trend on a 60-minute chart, I would use SMA (120) to do the same thing on a five-minute chart, and rely on faster moving averages within that same context to pinpoint precise entry and exit levels from a one-hour perspective, with the result being essentially no lag time/latency.

As you can see, using this approach has put me way ahead during the last two 24-hour market cycles...

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Unfortunately, when I woke up this morning, I found that EURAUD had handed me a $71.44 loss. When I checked my charts to see why, I discovered that had I been monitoring the position instead of going to bed, I would have witnessed the moving averages convey to me that the pair had reversed direction immediately after I entered the position and I could have gotten out early to minimize the hit, and possibly even sold the asset to promptly recoup my loss and then some.


Momentum is the only anomaly in the market that persists after its public discovery. Trends are basically a type of price momentum. That's why moving average, despite their lag, can have predictive power.
 
Momentum is the only anomaly in the market that persists after its public discovery. Trends are basically a type of price momentum. That's why moving average, despite their lag, can have predictive power.
Not predictive, it's just indicating previous momentum.
The MA is not predicting anything, it lags and confirms what's been.
If MA could predict, then it would at the top or bottom, but it never does till after the fact.
MA's are like the media, has a story that's made up on why the market is doing 'so & so', but it's fiction and twisted to suit the narative. Called hindsight analysis.
 
In my system language, CL.1 is yesterday's close. OP.2 is the Open 2 days ago. Thus, in the first instance, CL.1 is required to be 10% (*1.10) above OP.2, in order for a trade to be opened the next morning.

My point in posting this was to provide just an example of trading rules which do not require an MA or other indicator.

I always suggest to new traders that before getting involved in indicators, they first look directly at price action. Where is price in comparison to where it was just recently? And try starting with daily bars. There are many fine intraday systems that can be created just looking at price levels on daily bars.

IMO, everything in trading should be focused on simplicity and clarity.

Good luck.
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply and clear explanation! Greatly appreciate it!
 
Hey All, I'm new here, interesting discussion so far. I'm also still very new to technical analysis, so sorry if this is too beginner of a question, but I'm wondering how looking at different timeframes (1m, 5m, 15m, 1h) affects the way one interprets moving average?
 
Hey All, I'm new here, interesting discussion so far. I'm also still very new to technical analysis, so sorry if this is too beginner of a question, but I'm wondering how looking at different timeframes (1m, 5m, 15m, 1h) affects the way one interprets moving average?

Clearly, time series on different timeframes are constructed of successive price values separated by a different "step" (specified in the timeframe's name -1M, 15M, 1H, 1D).That data goes as input for calculation MA and you should get different MA functions for different timeframes since sample of values will be different.

In a practical sense you can try to use combination of faster and slower MAs (lower and higher timeframes) to identify early trend changes on the higher timeframes, or the onset of impulse moves (when slower and faster MA start to move in one direction), etc. Just use some common sense when trying to get some insight from MA, nothing complicated or magical.
 
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