Motel 6 agrees to pay $8.9M to settle claims it helped ICE arrest guests

[El OchoCinco]

"The court ruled that, at the least, a subpoena will now be required in order for cops to rifle through a guest registry. And if an owner objects, an administrative law judge can make the final call. Warrants will also do the trick."

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Issue is that company gave information on many Latinos because they were Latino not because the company had reasonable suspicion that they were illegals. The case was about racial profiling.

Good point. How dare they racially profile. How could they possible suspect who is illegal?

I understand why they settled. Bad publicity,etc and probably a lot of their traffic is from illegals and criminals. But I see no legal issue here. They didn't deny them accommodations. They notified law enforcement. Big difference.

The goal of the left is to intimidate law abiding, ie mainly white, people into keeping their eyes down and their mouths shut when they see suspicious activity by minorities. The NYT has had a series of pieces dedicated to this in which they slander concerned white women as "Becky's".

 

[gwb-trading]

Where did you get your law degree huh? Do you like to speak about things you know nothing about?

US Supreme Court voids Los Angeles ordinance requiring hotel operators to turn over guest records on demand

In a 5-4 opinion rendered on June 22, 2015, the United States Supreme Court held that a Los Angeles municipal code provision violates the US Constitution’s Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable search and seizures. The invalidated LA Code provision requires hotel operators to make guest records available to the police upon request.

Katz v. United States (389 U.S. 347) is a case from 1967, long before the age of social media. However, the ruling has direct implications for social media privacy. Katz found that the Fourth Amendment protection against warrantless searches does not apply to information that a person knowingly exposes to the public. The Fourth Amendment does apply, however, to information that an individual attempts to preserve as private.

So your private information handed over to a hotel is not intended for the public like a facebook page. If police want it the need for a warrant is to ensure a narrowed scope of search is done and police just don't go fishing via unreasonable searches.

To say NO warrant is required for any business to turn over your private/personal information is just ignorant.

There is a big difference between a business voluntarily handing over personal information about customers in response to a law enforcement request (which Motel 6 did) and compelling a business to hand over information (which is the situation this court decision addresses). Learn the difference.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

The law required motel owners to hand over information when requested without a warrant. The court struck down that law as unconstitutional. Therefore the statement that the police do NOT need a warrant to get your private information is FALSE. Try again.

Last try because no one is this dumb. The owner can voluntarily share it with police. They do not need a warrant if the owner just hands it over, like a good citizen might want to do to assist law enforcement. I know that is an alien concept for the left but it used to be part of the culture you guys are trying so hard to replace.

 

[El OchoCinco]

The business voluntarily handing over information violates the 4th amendment rights of their guests which is why Motel6 got sued and knew they would lose the case and settled. A third party in this instance is not allowed to waive your 4th amendment rights without your consent or probable cause.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Last try because no one is this dumb. The owner can voluntarily share it with police. They do not need a warrant if the owner just hands it over, like a good citizen might want to do to assist law enforcement. I know that is an alien concept for the left but it used to be part of the culture you guys are trying so hard to replace.

OH and I am not the left so stop the bullshit. You are so lazy to have a discussion on facts you simply throw a bullshit political blanket to cover yourself.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

The business voluntarily handing over information violates the 4th amendment rights of their guests which is why Motel6 got sued and knew they would lose the case and settled. A third party in this instance is not allowed to waive your 4th amendment rights without your consent or probable cause.

Wrong again. Fourth Amendment only limits the government. This is like arguing with someone over whether the earth is flat. I'm done here.

 

[gwb-trading]

The business voluntarily handing over information violates the 4th amendment rights of their guests which is why Motel6 got sued and knew they would lose the case and settled. A third party in this instance is not allowed to waive your 4th amendment rights without your consent or probable cause.

Where in any of the court documents on this case is the 4th amendment mentioned?

HINT: It's not. This is not a 4th amendment case.

Go read the settlement - https://www.maldef.org/assets/pdf/Proposed_Settlement_Agreement-Stamped_1105018.pdf

 

[El OchoCinco]

You said a warrant is not needed. I cited a Supreme Court case that shot down a statute that allowed police to demand records without a warrant. So to say categorically that a warrant is not needed is false. This point is not about the settlement which is a civil matter.

 

[gwb-trading]

You said a warrant is not needed. I cited a Supreme Court case that shot down a statute that allowed police to demand records without a warrant. So to say categorically that a warrant is not needed is false. This point is not about the settlement which is a civil matter.

A business can VOLUNTARILY hand over information to the government upon the government's request at any time. No warrant is needed. Nor does it violate any law. Every day in American millions of records including financial and personal information are handed over the government. from businesses.