Personally, I think countries should devise market-based solutions to the immigration problem. Take everyone who wants to come, background check then super-thoroughly and make them pay for a residence permit. If they don't have cash, let them take out a mortgage in that amount at a reasonable interest rate. If they can't pay, they lose the residence permit (maybe have a 6 month grace period on interest payments like the student loans do). No welfare problems anymore cause they have to work to maintain payments. No problems with illegal immigrants since anyone who's not a criminal can apply.
Most Swedes recognise immigration is necessary to sustain economic growth
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Unlike taxation, immigration is very multifaceted - I am an immigrant and I am pretty certain that I pay more taxes then you do (statistically certain). Hell, Mohammed ElErian and Sergei Brin are immigrants too. If you look at an average hedge fund, bank trading floor or a board of a hot new startup, you will see a lot of immigrants that add value to the US economy.
Similarly, people who come here illegally and are willing to fill the gaps in the labor force are also adding value.
I am an immigrant as well, and in my opinion, the immigrants of today are different than the immigrants when my parents and I came. These days, many expect stuff to be given to them. In the 80's, those immigrants were excited about the opportunity they were given and wanted to work right away to make a better life and contribute. Of course all of these are generalizations and many immigrants do want to work hard, but once again, back then, it wasn't a single mother coming with 8 children. It was a European family with 2 kids that wanted to learn the language and assimilate.
An alternative solution from this thread below.
New Scientist: End of nations: Is there an alternative to countries?
https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/...-is-there-an-alternative-to-countries.307005/
The world needs to find the source of the illegal immigrants or asylums problem!
Talk to the source, like ISIS, Syria,Israel and Palestine individually, each is entitled to build their own state and its boundary for their own living. No more wars or killings!
Any foreign armies from western countries should be used for separate them as peace keepers, temporarily. Not for killing them or eliminating them. The armies are for backing up the negotiations among them.
In addition, some other new states can be also set up for the potential migrants, who do not want to live in any of the ISIS/Syria/Israel/Palestine states. Otherwise, these potential migrants would naturally and forcefully become real migrants! Many died in the sea before reaching shores alive!
Initially supply of food, water, tents, farming equipment, sewing machine, etc can be provided and coordinated by the UN. Until the residents of a newly established state is able to survive independently.
Schoolrooms, teachers and educational curriculum will be also provided/operated very very very seriously. No more extreme doctrines or dogmas will be allowed for the kids, teens, adults, etc.
Therefore, previously the conventional way of using food and brainwashing classes for kids will no longer effective by the terrorist groups anymore. Like a farming/breeding ground of new recruits for terrorists.
Temporary passports will be provided by the UN for the university students, with scholarships, going overseas for further studies of western-style university knowledge.
If any newly established state can meet a set of criterion designed and approved by the UN, the state can be allowed to issue its own passports. Later even be granted a real world-state status for its citizens.
The criterion should include whether the potential state is able to self sustainability. Including some basic industries. Such as restaurants, cafe, hotels, building houses, etc. for tourists. Even arts, paintings, souvenirs, etc!
Once a world-state status is newly granted, the UN will help build small airport and seaport and rails for the new world state. Attracting more tourists.
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Taxpayers spending $1.3m a day to keep asylum seekers in island hellhole
https://www.crikey.com.au/2015/07/23/630000-buys-an-asylum-seeker-11-months-in-nauru/
Asylum seekers cost taxpayer £100,000 a DAY: 2,000 refugees with no right to remain in Britain have been claiming handouts and free housing for more than a year
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tain-claiming-handouts-free-housing-year.html
Asylum seekers cost you £786million: Bill to house and feed migrants soars 46%
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/591760/Asylum-seekers-immigration-migrants-tax-payers
Massive 11th hour migrant influx expected as EU demands Britain open borders until 2019
EU chiefs are to demand European nationals who arrive in Britain over the next two years are allowed to stay permanently.
By Rebecca Perring
PUBLISHED: 10:11, Sun, Feb 26, 2017
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/77...te-EU-nationals-brussels-migration-article-50
https://www.crikey.com.au/2015/07/23/630000-buys-an-asylum-seeker-11-months-in-nauru/
Asylum seekers cost taxpayer £100,000 a DAY: 2,000 refugees with no right to remain in Britain have been claiming handouts and free housing for more than a year
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tain-claiming-handouts-free-housing-year.html
Asylum seekers cost you £786million: Bill to house and feed migrants soars 46%
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/591760/Asylum-seekers-immigration-migrants-tax-payers
Massive 11th hour migrant influx expected as EU demands Britain open borders until 2019
EU chiefs are to demand European nationals who arrive in Britain over the next two years are allowed to stay permanently.
By Rebecca Perring
PUBLISHED: 10:11, Sun, Feb 26, 2017
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/77...te-EU-nationals-brussels-migration-article-50
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so could paying native women to have children
what else is new? the Bourgeoisie have their self respect but get clipped to pay for the vision of the Elite living in their gated communities.
Western developed countries have been already trying to offer various incentives for stimulating local births rate. Cash money for new baby, parents pay leaves by both government and employer, etc. during almost every election cycle.
It seems no enough. Especially when suddenly a country might meed more mining engineers, doctors or programmers for the next 5 to 10 years.
Furthermore, if the growth ratio is parents to babies nationally is 2:1, that means 'overall' contraction of population. Japan is a typical example.
Sand converted into fertile soil
A 1.6-hectare sandy plot in Ulan Buh Desert in Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, north China, has been transformed into fertile land. [Photo/www.cqnews.net]
https://desertification.wordpress.com/2016/09/06/sand-converted-into-fertile-soil/
Deserts
Qatar builds farms in the desert
The Gulf emirate is growing flowers, and has ambitious plans to grow fruit and vegetables to reduce its imports
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/jan/08/qatar-building-farms-desert-water
Waterless World: China’s ever-expanding desert wasteland
GlobalPost
December 16, 2013
https://www.pri.org/stories/2013-12-16/waterless-world-china-s-ever-expanding-desert-wasteland
Deserts
The Observer
Growing food in the desert: is this the solution to the world's food crisis?
Philipp Saumweber is creating a miracle in the barren Australian outback, growing tonnes of fresh food. So why has he fallen out with the pioneering environmentalist who invented the revolutionary system?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/nov/24/growing-food-in-the-desert-crisis
In the very near future, population will be a liability. With automation, each extra person will need more resources, and suck more out of the system than they are able to provide. Manual labour will be unnecessary, along with the lowest 20% of the jobs out there. I would imagine that some time in the future, taxing someone for having a child will need to be introduced. Its already a luxury now to raise a child in many cities.
The sooner a country controls their population, the closer it will be to controlling major problems in the future.