Most Swedes recognise immigration is necessary to sustain economic growth

[OddTrader]

Not to sound distrustful, but where in Sweden do you live? är du verkligen en svensk och inte en rysk troll?

Perhaps we should learn more about his faith as well! Welcome him to ET!

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The World's Most Sociable City Is In Sweden Because Of Course It Is
Gothenburg... isn't that where Batman lives?

24/02/2017

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/20...est-one-youve-never-h/?utm_hp_ref=au-homepage


We've heard a lot of great things coming out of Sweden as of late.

First there was the Swedish's president mic drop moment in response to US President Trump's reference to a non-existent incident in their country during one of his political rallies. Then there were those remarks from a local councillor who wants Swedes in his town to take sex breaks from work.


And now this. Turns out Sweden is home to two of the world's most sociable cities in the world, according to a new study into social attitudes and behaviour.

Commissioned by booking site Hostelworld, the study surveyed over 12,000 residents in 39 cities and graded them in ten categories, from their "propensity to party" to their degree of openness.


Let's talk about number one: Gothenburg. Before you rush to Google Maps, it's the country's second-largest city behind Stockholm (which came in at second place).

Tim E White
Gothenburg is where, exactly?

With the highest average score in three of the ten categories, it pipped heavyweights such as New York, Barcelona and Berlin to the post.

And from vintage parties to latte art, it might just be the coolest European city you've never heard of.

Martin Wahlborg
Ten points for serenity.
Providing even more reason to head to Scandinavia, Gothenburg, Stockholm and Copenhagen were found to be the most "socially-minded" bunch (closely followed by Tokyo) as well as leaders of the most liberal lifestyles with respect to co-habitation and sexuality.

Hitesh Sawlani via Getty Images
Can't beat the ol' Calle Alcala for a party.
Never fear, we can still venture out of Scandinavia for a good time. New Yorkers came out on top as the best buddies to eat out with while Madrid and Moscow are filled with people who seem to align most with the statement, "I will use any excuse to have a party".

(Unsurprisingly, no Australian cities got a mention.)

Here is the full top ten list:
1. Gothenburg

2. Stockholm

3. Chicago

4. Boston

5. New York

6. Copenhagen

7. Madrid

8. Rome

9. Hamburg

10. Dublin

 

[luisHK]

Difficult to know who is behing an internet forum handle, particulary a newly registered one, but this reminds me of a previous visit in Stockholm, when we got a long antinewimmigrant rant from an african taxi driver. himself a decades old immigrant there.
I must add this last massive wave of immigration makes Sweden and the most touched countries less atractive, masses of poor folks raised in violent surroundings are worrying and so aRE the locals who grow more xenophobic.
For years btw I ve noticed very virulent swedish racist posters in internet forums.
Fwiw I disagree with the idea immigrants should be prioritised in function of the hardship they endure back home, and nowadays look much more keenly on countries that take few or no refugees.

 

[sle]

Difficult to know who is behing an internet forum handle, particulary a newly registered one, but this reminds me of a previous visit in Stockholm, when we got a long antinewimmigrant rant from an african taxi driver. himself a decades old immigrant there.
I must add this last massive wave of immigration makes Sweden and the most touched countries less atractive, masses of poor folks raised in violent surroundings are worrying and so aRE the locals who grow more xenophobic.
For years btw I ve noticed very virulent swedish racist posters in internet forums.

Come on, dude, this guy is a paid troll. Most probably he's Russian and actually gets paid for this bullshit. Think about it - freshly registered, first post in a politically charged topic, usage of rubber stamps like "treacherous propaganda" and "mass psychosis". I am willing to bet he's not gonna come back here either.

I know the situation in one of the neighboring countries very well and it's not perfect but not the end of the world. Of course, there is abuse, it would be surprising if there wasn't.

 

[OddTrader]

Perhaps we should learn more about his faith as well! Welcome him to ET!

" I'm of mixed nationality myself, and my 5-year old daughter is half African and we're muslim. "

People definitely should do a search on " we are muslim " , with the quotation marks in order to find exactly the three words, no more no less, and in that order!

Surprisingly, my own search result was/is NO any Muslim would compose Muslim starting with a small letter 'm'!!!

All my search results showed the word Muslim were having a capital letter 'M'!!!

Looks like they are proud to be Muslims!

If I write muslim here on ET, my screen immediately prompts me a spelling error by underlying the whole word with a red colour.

However he didn't see it, or he, as a proud Muslim to be his great faith, didn't even care about the underlying red line!

I now apologise in advance if anything wrong above from my poor findings, especially with my inferior Internet search!

 

[luisHK]

No idea wether he is paid for that but sure seems trolling.It still reminds me of a taxi driver in Stockholm.

 

[sle]

No idea wether he is paid for that but sure seems trolling.It still reminds me of a taxi driver in Stockholm.

Yeah, my barber is from the Central Asia (one of the 'stans) and he rants about immigrants all the time. It's a part of the package

 

[OddTrader]

Difficult to know who is behing an internet forum handle, particulary a newly registered one, but this reminds me of a previous visit in Stockholm, when we got a long antinewimmigrant rant from an african taxi driver. himself a decades old immigrant there.
I must add this last massive wave of immigration makes Sweden and the most touched countries less atractive, masses of poor folks raised in violent surroundings are worrying and so aRE the locals who grow more xenophobic.
For years btw I ve noticed very virulent swedish racist posters in internet forums.
Fwiw I disagree with the idea immigrants should be prioritised in function of the hardship they endure back home, and nowadays look much more keenly on countries that take few or no refugees.

https://elitetrader.com/et/threads/the-solution-to-trumpism-a-little-kindness-and-generosity.307175/

 

[JSOP]

Not to sound distrustful, but where in Sweden do you live? är du verkligen en svensk och inte en rysk troll?

Wow learned some Swedish here, nice! Well I guess if he just wrote such a long post to get the information out and doesn't post here anymore then I guess he might be verkligen en svensk. Usually en rysk troll would post one-line flaming posts and would keep coming back for more flaming posts just to respond.

 

[JSOP]

Difficult to know who is behing an internet forum handle, particulary a newly registered one, but this reminds me of a previous visit in Stockholm, when we got a long antinewimmigrant rant from an african taxi driver. himself a decades old immigrant there.
I must add this last massive wave of immigration makes Sweden and the most touched countries less atractive, masses of poor folks raised in violent surroundings are worrying and so aRE the locals who grow more xenophobic.
For years btw I ve noticed very virulent swedish racist posters in internet forums.
Fwiw I disagree with the idea immigrants should be prioritised in function of the hardship they endure back home, and nowadays look much more keenly on countries that take few or no refugees.

If you have immigrants themselves being angry about immigration, then you know you've got a problem. And I agree with Fileiro, whether he's en rysk troll or not, the immigration and actually refugee acceptance issue facing Sweden and actually not just Sweden but the whole Europe, Eastern & Western, United States, Canada, and even China, basically any place that has had positive economic growth is a major problem. And this issue is not a question of to help or not to help, it's an issue of designing an optimal immigration and welfare system that benefits everybody in the society (immigrants themselves) equally and positively taking into account of history, population make-up, geographic features and resources.

And every country DOES have a right and duty to protect its own country, its own borders, its own people first when it comes to immigration and especially refugee acceptance. And that is a given and no countries should feel guilty or made to feel guilty about that. Immigration and especially refugees acceptance should be viewed as an act of generosity and not a sense of duty or like payment of some kind of debt. If you see people panhandling on the streets, you are not obligated to open the door of your home to let them in. So if an individual person is not even obligated to do so, WHY should a country be different? No country in this world no matter how rich they are is obligated to take in refugees and many affluent countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar who actually have similar culture and religion are actually not; those that are are opening their doors to refugees are doing it from the goodness of their heart and many times at the expense of their own existing citizens. This fundamental mentality should at least be established. And then on the basis of these thoughts, then we can design a more optimal and equitable and fair welfare system that will benefit all.

 

[Gotcha]

it's an issue of designing an optimal immigration and welfare system that benefits everybody in the society

Impossible. Immigration, just like taxation, is a way to redistribute money. If too many poor immigrant come into a country, you dilute the wealth of everyone else. If we want to bring the lowest percentage of the population out of poverty, either through immigration to somewhere else or improving their circumstance in their own country, this means that someone else has to go down. The rich people have made sure that it won't come from them, so instead, it comes from the middle class.

I've seen the charts that point to how heavy the taxation was on the super rich in the 40's and 50's and 60's, but now, its completely opposite. This is why we see those stats about how most of the wealth in the world is held by the few percent at the top.

If we want to insure that more people in this world have a better life, it needs to come from somewhere. The middle class is now tapped out, and disappearing, and its only getting worse with more immigrants if you ask me. It might all look ok today, but the fundamentals are really grim. The young people today can't afford property, and the pensions I doubt will be nicely funded when they are ready to retire in the next 30 or so years.

The system I believe is being held together on a year to year basis, but when you look at projections in the next few decades, I don't see how the next generation will have anything close to what the baby boomers have now.