Most say Bush to blame for weak U.S. economy, poll finds

2/3 Americans must be the opposite of intelligent to believe presidents actually have the power to decide anything. In this day and age I'd think people would be a little bit open minded. US internal and foreign politics are run by cartels. Banking cartel, oil cartel, pharmaceutical cartel, military cartel... not by a single person. How the F can you blame GWB or BO (no pun intended) for anything? They're just puppets, the situation would be EXACTLY the same however the president. US economy is shit, that's a fact, blame or no blame. Pointing fingers isn't going to solve anything, but if you really want to blame someone, blame FDR and Nixon.
 
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Well, many of us want Obama to do more. Another perspective, just today:

"The Dead Hand of George W Bush

By Matthew Yglesias

| Posted Thursday, June 14, 2012, at 8:34 AM ET

"George W Bush was a bad president and I hate to defend him, but the fact that when asked 68 percent of the American public say he bears responsibility for the bad economy (compared to 52 percent for Barack Obama) is a bit puzzling to me.

"Blaming Obama is, I think, simplistic. The 111th Congress didn't do as much fiscal stimulus as he wanted. The 112th Congress has done basically nothing that he wanted. The GOP blocked confirmation of Obama's appointee to the Federal Housing Finance Administration, undermining his ability to direct national housing policy. They stymied appointments to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. Guys like the heads of the Minneapolis, Dallas, and Richmond Federal Reserve banks have influenced policy in a way that was beyond Obama's control. Which is just to say that in terms of people who've been directing American public policy since 2009 there's plenty of blame to go around and no reason to just pin it all on Obama.

"But not only did Bush face many of the same constraints on his authority (particularly in 2007-2008) but he hasn't been in office in years.

"You can look at the whole great downturn of 2008 and 2009 and pin that on the guys who'd been running the show when it started. But it just doesn't make sense to think that policy initiatives undertaken while Bush was president are responsible for the sluggish pace of the recovery. The invasion of Iraq didn't cause inadequate aggregate demand in 2011. Nor did the wastefullness of the Bush farm and energy bills, the irresponsibility of his tax policies, or anything else that can be laid at his feet. Our problems today are primarily the fault of weak aggregate demand in 2010, 2011, and the beginning of 2012 and the blame for that lies with the people who've been running the Fed, the congress, and the executive branch."

The last sentence say's it all. A leader would have found a way to bring it all together. He screwed the pooch right out of the gate with his heathcare plan in general, and jobbing it out to Pelosi and Reid was a blunder of huge proportion. The dye was cast, and it's been down hill ever since in regard to bringing the nation together.
 
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The last sentence say's it all. A leader would have found a way to bring it all together. He screwed the pooch right out of the gate with his heathcare plan in general, and jobbing it out to Pelosi and Reid was a blunder of huge proportion. The dye was cast, and it's been down hill ever since in regard to bringing the nation together.
Perhaps. Dedicated government observers/scholars have stated that they think our current congress is broken--abuse of the intent of the rules. In that sense, I think gridlock is actually achievable, hell, we've got people right here who want gridlock.
 
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hell, we've got people right here who want gridlock.

Mostly because the alternative to gridlock always seems to be congress implementing shitty rules, and figuring out brand new ways to spend money we dont have......
 
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Mostly because the alternative to gridlock always seems to be congress implementing shitty rules, and figuring out brand new ways to spend money we dont have......
Sure, that's the problem, what you think is shitty I think is smart and vice versa. So we get gridlock and blame Obama for not being strong enough when we don't get what we want, or call him a "thug" when we get what we don't want.

Everyone thinks they're right.
 
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The last sentence say's it all. A leader would have found a way to bring it all together. He screwed the pooch right out of the gate with his heathcare plan in general, and jobbing it out to Pelosi and Reid was a blunder of huge proportion. The dye was cast, and it's been down hill ever since in regard to bringing the nation together.

My thoughts as well.

This continued harping on Bush shows just how weak Obama is. So far, their plan has been 1)blame Bush, 2)keep reminding everyone that Romney belongs to a weird religion, 3)attack Bain and 4) blame Bush. If all that fails, well, blame Bush.

A lot of republicans were not all that crazy about Bush. Plenty of voters could well agree with obama's attacks on Bush, but still think Obama is as bad or worse. After all, no one forced him to take the job.

The other thing is that the mortgage and real estate crisis were what created our financial problems, that plus two wars we generously underwrote the cost for, even though Iraq has enormous oil reserves. And, Obama's incredibly wasteful stimulus bailout of big unions. Democrats would not have done a damn thng differently to prevent the mortgage crisis. In fact, they fought tooth and nail to stop Bush from reining in FNM and FRE, the two biggest facilitators of the crisis. The idea that the tax cuts were predominantly responsible for the budget deficit is ridiculous and has been debunked many times.
 
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Perhaps. Dedicated government observers/scholars have stated that they think our current congress is broken--abuse of the intent of the rules. In that sense, I think gridlock is actually achievable, hell, we've got people right here who want gridlock.

It's called democracy. I know it annoys the crap out of know-it-all liberals like yourself.

Liberals have a long tradition of trying to undermine democracy. They view voters as too dumb to know what's best for them, and the state and federal legislatures as cesspools of corruption, prejudice and ignorance.

Most great liberal achievements have been accomplished by circumventing the democratic process. Activist federal judges impose liberal social policies that failed to gain democratic support under the guise that they are newly discovered constitutional "rights." In reality, it is a judicial dictatorship.

Liberals try to dilute the votes of citizens constantly under the guise of expanding access to the ballott. Initiatives like motor voter, signups at welfare offices, use of crooks like ACORN and DOJ lawsuits to prevent states from proper vetting of voters are all aimed at facilitating election fraud, which has emerged as the democrats go-to strategy.
 
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Sure, that's the problem, what you think is shitty I think is smart and vice versa. So we get gridlock and blame Obama for not being strong enough when we don't get what we want, or call him a "thug" when we get what we don't want.

Everyone thinks they're right.

Maybe everyone does think they are right..... but the difference of course, is that my opinion ACTUALLY IS right.... :D
 
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Maybe everyone does think they are right..... but the difference of course, is that my opinion ACTUALLY IS right.... :D
Uhh huh. :D :D
 
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