Most Dangerous? American Black's or Iraqis

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from spect8or:
Why am I yet to hear one word of this 'viable framework'? If it could be substituted for my complacent statistics-based racism, why wouldn't you alert me to it?

The framework I was referring to was your own, Dan. There are plenty of other frameworks out there.

Quote from spect8or:
What is so monstrous about wishing to limit the procreation of the lowest classes, especially if such limiting is achieved by ceasing to subsidize it? One doesn't even require a genetic reason for advocating such a policy; the simple observation that children have a tendency to turn out like their parents is sufficient. The ultimate effect of a smaller underclass is eugenic. Simple.

Dan, you often ask me why I don't provide you with any alternatives to your 'philosophy'. I know you don't understand this, but the para above is all the reason I will ever need. I know that there exist people who seem completely normal on the outside, but who have absolutely no feeling of empathy at all, even for their parents and children. These people are called sociopaths. In the same way, you seem to be completely unaware of the basic flaw in this argument. It is weird. And don't bother with the 'Why don't you tell me again'. I have said it enough on these boards, mostly to your Hitler-worshipping friend, but also to the Uber-Troll last year.

Quote from spect8or:
You need to read up on bell curves. Then maybe you think about intelligently engaging me.

You have no valid reason to question my intelligence. That you do so indicates that you are content making arguments without foundation. I have made suggestions about your intelligence based on the grammatical and spelling errors in your posts, which indicate that you are either ill-educated, inapt, or that English is not your mother tongue. The implications of this last are the ones I have been most interested in, although this would disprove my theory about your intelligence.

As I mentioned, I am tired of engaging you and those of your ilk, just as you are tired of defending yourself against charges of bigotry. My experience here has shown me up close and personal what racism really is, and it's no surprise; after all, here, you people can be anonymous. I admit that I didn't understand the extent to which these feelings are shared, or how virulent this bug can be. We won't be having too many more interactions, Dan. You can go off and marry a nice white girl and make some smart white babies and watch the patina of the world wash away, slowly revealing the colors you fear most.

It would be so easy for you to believe that I think whites have some sort of monopoly on racism. Nothing could be further from the truth, in my (admittedly academic) experience.

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from spect8or:


You need to read up on bell curves. Then maybe you think about intelligently engaging me.

Amazing... you actually posted the refutation of your own argument!!! Bell Curve, indeed, Dan... and what implication does the reality of the Bell Curve have for eugenics? Eh, Dan?

 

[Artie21]

Quote from spect8or:

Do you really want to make that bet? I'm aware of research that shows blacks are more criminal across all socioeconomic classes.

The rest of your post simply reminds us that whites, too, can be and have been violent - as if anyone would have denied it. The point is, holding environments as constant as can be done, blacks demonstrate more violence and more criminality.

Sure I would bet!

I am not calling anyone a racist. I am interested in a civil discourse, except for a few blowhards we need not mention.

If reliable data prove your belief, fine. Please refer to the studies.

I think that equalizing environmental variables would show no difference between black and whites on violent proclivities. Assume a study group: middle and upper class two parent black families, with a father present, well integrated into society and college educated, well spoken. Children from such families I would wager have no significantly greater statistical probability to commit violent crimes. However, they might still dance better and run faster than whites. Personally, I don't think that black men have larger penises than we, but that is just a purely self referential observation.

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Look at the number of black athletes, music stars, even black members of Congress with a larger than expected proclivity toward crime. I think the factors are deeper than dollars and cents. In fact I believe there's psychological reasons why blacks live in poverty. And as ElCubano pointed out, even groups of black students and BLUPIE's when gathering yearly in Miami Beach for a festive occasion become an out of control human hurricane of crime.

From a post I made last year:

I'll agree few choose poverty. At least consciously. I'm sure California has an even better public school system than Illinois, yet here in Chicago inner city kids receive about 11k worth of schooling a year, the same curriculum that's been taught to children for a century. Yet African-American aptitudes in reading are so poor, they even lag behind the test scores of Hispanic children for whom English is often not even their primary language.

Clearly motivation, family stability, peer pressure are all valid issues effecting performance. But what course can society take. The poor in Chicago receive cheap yet adequate subsidized housing, ample police protection, welfare benefits for dependant mothers, superlative supervised park district programs and free lunches. Affirmative action in government has made employment opportunities for blacks more plentiful than for whites in high paying unionized positions. None of that though has helped ease this circle of poverty. At what point to we start realizing that the problems of the African-American community are internal. Perhaps a collective psychosis. If money cured all ills then we'd see a nation of concerned rappers and N.B.A. stars. In fact though we see how money often makes people worse.

 

[Artie21]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Look at the number of black athletes, music stars, even black members of Congress with a larger than expected proclivity toward crime. I think the factors are deeper than dollars and cents. In fact I believe there's psychological reasons why blacks live in poverty. And as ElCubano pointed out, even groups of black students and BLUPIE's when gathering yearly in Miami Beach for a festive occasion become an out of control human hurricane of crime.

From a post I made last year:

I'll agree few choose poverty. At least consciously. I'm sure California has an even better public school system than Illinois, yet here in Chicago inner city kids receive about 11k worth of schooling a year, the same curriculum that's been taught to children for a century. Yet African-American aptitudes in reading are so poor, they even lag behind the test scores of Hispanic children for whom English is often not even their primary language.

Clearly motivation, family stability, peer pressure are all valid issues effecting performance. But what course can society take. The poor in Chicago receive cheap yet adequate subsidized housing, ample police protection, welfare benefits for dependant mothers, superlative supervised park district programs and free lunches. Affirmative action in government has made employment opportunities for blacks more plentiful than for whites in high paying unionized positions. None of that though has helped ease this circle of poverty. At what point to we start realizing that the problems of the African-American community are internal. Perhaps a collective psychosis. If money cured all ills then we'd see a nation of concerned rappers and N.B.A. stars. In fact though we see how money often makes people worse.

From your last paragraph. All those programs assisting the poor. A policy disaster. They allow, almost dictate, that the indigent and undeveloped remain forever in thier present station.

Rappers and NBA players are almost always ghetto kids that have made it big. But they don't come from an equalized environment.

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from Artie21:
I am not calling anyone a racist. I am interested in a civil discourse, except for a few blowhards we need not mention.

get back to me after attempting 'civil discourse' with these robots for a while.

And you can stand up and call me a blowhard if you want. Don't feel bad about it. At least these guys call me names in good faith. This is all ANONYMOUS, right? I don't take it personally, because your insults don't affect me, just like my insults don't affect Dan. Pabst, they might affect, but not Dan.

 

[2cents]

Quote from 2cents:

what about roland fryer's work, eg http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/fryer/papers/fhlm_crack_cocaine.pdf re crack cocaine's impact "adjusted for racial composition"?

this guy seems to know a few things about blacks in america, just fyi...
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/20/m...1268974800&partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=all

the rapid spread of crack cocaine since the 80s is a pretty major factor... nothing genetic there...

but if reading fryer's too much of a stretch, here are a few other interesting sources:
http://www.seweb.uci.edu/faculty/currie/ anything from him... crime and punishment notably, still v.relevant as far as international comparisons...
http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/9866/9866.ch01.html whitewashing race, 2003, 1st chapter
http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/9866.html

 

[2cents]

just bumped into this... interesting resource: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/index.html

notably re relevant factors for violence in america:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Prison_System/Social_Action_CAPIA.html

now i must say a quick look at atlanta's crime stats is not particularly heartening...:
http://atlanta.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm

 

[murray t turtle]

2 Points

1] Arnie good clip,;
T Sowell is usually right on target;
except his''cracker'' comment on southernwhites having roads, church services much different from others

2]Ps;
PabstPrime did you change your nickname from Pabst;
inquiring minds want to know>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>?????

murray TT;
T Turtle is a nickname , not an alias

 

[spect8or]

Quote from traderNik:

With regard to your age, another member PM'd me and told me this. Of course I have no way of knowing whether you are in fact under 20, but it does explain your posts to some extent.

It would explain your childish posts quite well.

At least I have the solace of knowing that my thoughts would be peaceful and sentimental, while yours would be filled with hate and blame.

See above.

A last comment... believe me, it was a total shock to me to see how many people spoke out in support of Pabst in his 'thread of shame'. I am not fool enough to believe that if I said I was leaving ET, anyone would post asking me not to go.

Nicky, this is a trading site. Pabst is a respected vet with a great deal of knowledge to offer. It makes perfect sense that Pabst would be asked to stay. I guess some people just don't believe in hanging others for their political views.

Clearly, your racist views have a lot of support here on ET. Either that or these are people that don't wander into Chit Chat very often and thus aren't exposed to them. In the end, there are a lot of people who find comfort in your brand of delusion - that is, the delusion that statistics provide a basis for a theory of social interaction.

That's one way to look at it. Another would be that a lot of people are beginning to put greater trust in their lying eyes than in the pious assurances given by deadbeat liberals.

Furthermore, if at least one of us is deluded, at least I have the comfort of knowing my delusions are based on sound scientific and statistic methods (characteristically, you're suspicious of the soundness yet have not uttered one word on it). What would yours be based on?