Morgan Stanley Says S&P 500 to Drop 25%, Cuts Outlook

Quote from Renegen:

They still think the year end S&P 500 will be at 825. This is nonsense.

the S&P could be higher, which would mean the big drop could come in 2010 just when everyone thinks the worst is behind us.

never underestimate stupidity. if this current suckers rally gets some legs and we survive earnings in 3Q, it could mean a nice rally before 2010.
 
royal bank of scotland got it wrong. it wasn't inflationary pressures that handcuffed central banks, it was that no part of the economy could absorb more debt to help drive growth.

liquidity bubble, too much hot money chasing too few hot assets creating misallocations of capital. inflation bets were the right choices leading up to their call on the S&P, not after
 
Quote from kowboy:

The prediction may not be that far off for a SnP low near 500 if you use historical Gaap earnings PE ratio. See the attached link and draw your own conclusions. The year end SnP prediction of 825 is ridiculous and not achievable IMO and would have to assume a mid year recovery which likely won't happen.

http://www.decisionpoint.com/TAC/SWENLIN.html

You should ask the question :

WHO decides whether P/E of 8,10,15 or 19 is "appropriate" ? Even forward P/E ratios have so many flaws...

But there is some good news out there :

6a00d8341c924353ef011168cdcd50970c-800wi


http://www.tickersense.typepad.com/
 
I agree with the gist of what you say. The study of history, though of some value, does not confer as much predictive value and significance for current and future events as most believe. It is an overbought commodity, trading entirely too high.



Quote from scriabinop23:

'Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it' perhaps needs to be statistically evaluated - I think the findings would likely indicate no correlation with 'things seem to repeat in history.' Furthermore, just because you studied something and are obsessed with avoiding repeating it, doesn't mean you will somehow increase your chances of avoiding it, especially if you do not understand the underlying causes of why it happened. And Taleb would say it is impossible to precisely understand why anything happens - it is our explanations after the fact (look to the news media) that give us a (false) sense of grasping events outside our control.

With that said, I think there is little evidence that history repeats nor we have any meaningful way of preventing it from rhyming. And any decisions based on the expectation that history repeating will result in success outcomes are likely no more highly probable than a coin toss. I really believe that - at least with respect to future events that are more to do with political economy vs the hard sciences.

With the economy and politics, it is a matter of human survival, and thus gaming and competition come into play. That changes the dynamic to beyond comprehensible when you throw in real world data sets.

Very unlike seeing what happens when you mix baking soda and vinegar and predicting the same thing to happen next time around.
 
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