Yes, yes it does. Thanks for your "contribution".
More guns not equal to more deaths
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Yes, yes it does. Thanks for your "contribution".
one thing that would help
is to make it illegal to manufacture the [hand]guns
and over time there would be less and less and less of them
[there are no quick fixes, which means thinking long term]
marc
Perhaps over the next 50-100 years. What do you plan to do about 3D Printing of guns? Right now, you can 3d Print a handgun that will fire 7 shots before it has to be redone. Can you imagine what 50 years will look like?
one thing that would help
is to make it illegal to manufacture the [hand]guns
and over time there would be less and less and less of them
[there are no quick fixes, which means thinking long term]
marc
How old are you, 20? Younger?
The "number of guns" in the population is not the problem.... more like the "solution" against many crimes.
There are purportedly 350 Million guns in the US population. That's a LOT! But where are the violent crimes and mass murders coming from? Psychos on meds, gang groups, and jihadists. That's a very small percentage of "guns in the population".
How does it make sense to "disarm everybody... law abiding citizens" who hope to have the chance to protect themselves should the situation arise? IOW... we've got ".1% bad apples, therefore everybody's guns should be banned"?
I'd rather arm EVERYBODY... then KILL THE BAD APPLES WHEN THEY RAISE THEIR UGLY HEAD!!
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They're not unrelated, as they both will have a beneficial effect on inner city gun violence.
Affirmative action will have a beneficial effect on gun violence? Is AA something new?
How will progressive taxation have a beneficial effect on gun violence? Or redistribution?
I'm posting this in it's own thread because I spent some time putting it together and don't want it buried right away.
In an attempt to dispel the absolute nonsense that "more guns = more deaths", I've done some data crunching with information available at the FBI, and the gun control website ShootingTracker.
The information is interesting. First, this is a collection of all gun murder rates by state, the detail of which can be found here. Sorry for the chart size/formatting. I've never pasted from excel/powerpoint into this forum before.
States are listed from highest gun murder rate per 1000 population to lowest. However, states in RED are those states where gun ownership is less than 25%. States in Green are those where the gun ownership rate (per 1000 people) is higher than 50%.
The first thing that jumps out to you is that there are plenty of states where gun control is tightest (Maryland, DC) that have high murder rates by guns. In DC, hand guns are illegal. In EVERY SINGLE RED COLORED STATE with the exception of Florida, Concealed Carry permits are next to impossible to get. Feel free to check out the laws yourself here. Again, Florida is the exception. In ALL green states (where gun ownership per 1000 people is >50%), a concealed carry permit is Shall Issue and easy to get (provided you are not a felon, no history of domestic disputes and not mentally unstable.
The second chart here details all "mass shootings" (definition from ShootingTracker - along with all links and news reporting).
Again, sorry for the size of the chart. States are listed by number of deaths from mass shooting incidents in the last three years (through Jan-2013). Of the top 5 states, two of them, including the #1, are states where it is next to impossible to get a concealed carry license, and very tough on guns and gun owners legally speaking - California and Illinois. Two others (Texas, Florida) are very easy on laws, and Ohio is moderate.
In California, the top 5 cities are almost 40% of all the killings (172 deaths). They are
Los Angeles
Fresno
Stockton
Sacramento
Oakland
In Texas, 30% are in Houston and Dallas alone (70 deaths).
In Florida, exactly 1/3 of all deaths are Miami, Kissimmee (Orlando) and Jacksonville.
In Illinois, 74% are in Chicago or the surrounding areas (243 deaths). Chicago, incidentally, has the toughest laws in the country outside of Connecticut and DC.
And in Ohio, 38% are in three cities: Cinci, Cleveland and Columbus.
I wonder what all these metro areas have in common? I wonder if the guns used in the majority of these shootings are legally obtained? I'm betting they aren't, but sadly, this information isn't tracked. I'd make suggestions, but then I'd probably be labeled rayciss.
I can send the data to anyone if they want to PM me an email address and you can parse it yourself or check mine for errors (there aren't any) or to confirm my accurate reporting.
Essentially, "more guns = more deaths/violence", is horseshit.
Additional source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state
I think a distinction should be drawn between homicides (justified or not) committed by people with legal gun possession vs. homicides committed by people with illegal gun possession. Most gun deaths are caused by people who illegally possess guns. Stemming the flow of guns to criminals should be a national effort and states with lax gun control should consider tightening up to combat illegal use of guns.
In a nutshell, many individuals (most, if capitalism is left to run its natural course) in a highly unequal society will find themselves in the camp of those who have little to lose and much to gain. These individuals have the same drive for acquisition all do, but lesser means, and probably too much free time.
I agree with everything you say. Not sure the government (or anyone else) can do anything about illegal guns being obtained. The penalties for using a gun are never going to be more severe than the penalties for murder. So if you're willing to risk the latter, the former isn't going to deter you.
Compare what poor indian or asians are like at home, and what their children behave like. Then do the same for blacks. It's not poverty that is the deciding factor here, though I will agree that it certainly can influence.