More guns not equal to more deaths

[Tsing Tao]

Jordan Klepper: Good Guy with a Gun

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/11/9891664/daily-show-mass-shootings

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ively-debunks-good-guy-with-a-gun-theory.html

That second link was funny But the end quote of "we could just figure out how to stop assholes from getting guns in the first place" is a bit misleading. The "Assholes" don't get guns legally in the vast number of cases. So no laws you put in place are going to stop the assholes. There are just too many weapons on the street for them.

Insinuating that those who got their CCW are all assholes is well...what I would expect from The Daily Show and Comedy Central.

 

[Ricter]

So you're saying people in high gun ownership areas but low gun homicide rates like Alaska and Wyoming or Idaha, etc. decide to do their violence in Chicago?

Or do the folks in Chicago go across the border to Wisconsin to buy firearms, and then come back to Chicago to do their killing?

When you want to do some killing, guns are the weapon of choice, and if they're available you'll be far better at it.

 

[Ricter]

Or do the folks in Chicago go across the border to Wisconsin to buy firearms, and then come back to Chicago to do their killing?

Sounds like gun running. Does anyone even do that anymore?

 

[Frederick Foresight]

That second link was funny But the end quote of "we could just figure out how to stop assholes from getting guns in the first place" is a bit misleading. The "Assholes" don't get guns legally in the vast number of cases. So no laws you put in place are going to stop the assholes. There are just too many weapons on the street for them.

Insinuating that those who got their CCW are all assholes is well...what I would expect from The Daily Show and Comedy Central.

The video is in 2 parts. Watch what happens in the second part, where an active shooter incident is simulated. And listen to what the FBI interviewee had to say.

 

[Tsing Tao]

When you want to do some killing, guns are the weapon of choice, and if they're available you'll be far better at it.

So which is it, then? Do people in gun friendly states do their killin' in high murder rate cities or do the people from those cities get their guns in gun friendly states?

 

[Tsing Tao]

Sounds like gun running. Does anyone even do that anymore?

I don't know. But the laws in place that prevent ownership in those cities/states don't seem to have any effect at all if that's the case.

 

[Tsing Tao]

The video is in 2 parts. Watch what happens in the second part, where an active shooter incident is simulated. And listen to what the FBI interviewee had to say.

Again, that's a bit misleading. Many people with ccw's train regularly with firearms. I know I do. And the point of this is not whether or not they do, but whether they are the cause of gun violence. People with ccw's are not the cause of gun violence in this country. The people who are, are the people you and your folks don't want to place blame on.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Again, that's a bit misleading. Many people with ccw's train regularly with firearms. I know I do. And the point of this is not whether or not they do, but whether they are the cause of gun violence. People with ccw's are not the cause of gun violence in this country. The people who are, are the people you and your folks don't want to place blame on.

Klepper got his permit and then participated in a realistic simulation. He inadvertently shot a friendly and then was shot by the good guys because he was waving his gun, mistaken for a perp. While he was trying to be funny elsewhere in the clip, the active shooter simulation was serious. Did you listen to what the guy from the FBI, who had conducted a related study, had to say?

 

[Scataphagos]

Again, that's a bit misleading. Many people with ccw's train regularly with firearms. I know I do. And the point of this is not whether or not they do, but whether they are the cause of gun violence. People with ccw's are not the cause of gun violence in this country. The people who are, are the people you and your folks don't want to place blame on.

Ditto!

Those who carry are attempting to protect themselves from criminal and jihadi assaults. We "carriers" are the solution (part of it, anway), not the problem!!

 

[Ricter]

It may be that adding more guns now won't increase firearm homicides much, as the marginal "utility" is flat at our present ownership rate.