More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time

Quote from drjekyllus:

How much does a pack rubbers cost? Really, most the 'poor' in the US have widescreen TVs, two cars and a DVD player. Lets be real.

If they have a widescreen TVs, and two cars then they are not poor. There are kids sleeping without dinner and shelter drjekllus.

Second, if you are poor in an urban area there are countless free clinics where condoms are distributed for free.

That is when you factor in the education component.

So once again, if contraceptives are so great why all the abortions?

At same point people have to be responsible for the decisions they have made.

13 years old girl + lack of education + lack of support = a pregnancy.

Snuffing another human life to relieve your responsibilities is not a valid answer.

You guys confuse me! You support a war that kills hundreds of thousands human lives yet you are opposed to a woman right to chose to end an unwanted pregnancy!
 
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Quote from drjekyllus:

How much does a pack rubbers cost? Really, most the 'poor' in the US have widescreen TVs, two cars and a DVD player. Lets be real.

If they have a widescreen TVs, and two cars then they are not poor. There are kids sleeping without dinner and shelter drjekllus.

Second, if you are poor in an urban area there are countless free clinics where condoms are distributed for free.

That is when you factor in the education component.

So once again, if contraceptives are so great why all the abortions?

At same point people have to be responsible for the decisions they have made.

13 years old girl + lack of education + lack of support = a pregnancy.

Snuffing another human life to relieve your responsibilities is not a valid answer.

You guys confuse me! You support a war that kills hundreds of thousands human lives yet you are opposed to a woman right to chose to end an unwanted pregnancy!


Education? Are you claiming that poor people in America do not know that if they have sex they can become pregnant? Really? How the hell did primative people pull it off? They didn't have any sex ed classes. You mean to tell me primative people could pull it off, but we can't. Personal responsibility is the key.

I really don't understand the reference to war. Two completely different subjects. If you don't know why they went after the terrorist who did 9/11 then I don't know what to tell you.

As far as poor is concerned. There are no poor people in America. Bottomline. Go to a real poor country and see how people are living. I have seen entire families with 3+ children sleeping on the sidewalk with their parents in the middle of the night in other countries. That shit does not happen in the US. Believe me, I have been to shithole cities in the US that democrats have run into the ground and you flat out don't see that. The poor argument is just another excuse to remove personal responsibility from the equation. It doesn't fly.

It all boils down to personal responsiblity. This society has lost all sense of the idea. Its always someone elses fault. Someone burns themselves with coffee, its Starbuck's fault. If you get pregnant its the education systems fault, or it was because you are poor. Now there are people killing their entire families and its the economy's fault. Terrorist go and blown up 20 people and its because we weren't nice enough to them. Get real, take responsiblity for yourself and don't live life on the fruits of another man.
 
Quote from drjekyllus:

So this is what you support.

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Who said I was trying to govern anyone? I was simply highlighting Roe V Wade and what it entailed. Simple education.

I also like your enlightened response. So STHU and sit down ! If you can't win the debate, you try to shout people down. Nicely done.

We have no debate here as you are trying to take away peoples legal rights so STFU and sit down on you bible .
 
Quote from Hombre:

We have no debate here as you are trying to take away peoples legal rights so STFU and sit down on you bible .

Ummm bible? what are you talking about?

We have more rational debate from this genius.
 
Quote from Hombre:

We have no debate here as you are trying to take away peoples legal rights so STFU and sit down on you bible .

Stop arguing with idiot dr. jerkulus. he is a mental midget in over his head who has no idea how limited his mental capacity is.

Several pages ago in this thread he introduced a touching picture of an aborted fetus. That picture itself is an appeal to emotion. But those of us who like to debate facts here are some:

According to United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (hardly a pro choice organization) http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/abortion/currentstats.shtml#age

A full 79.1 percent of abortions concern fetuses up to 10 weeks of gestation. For an illustration of what a 10 week fetus looks like look at the picture below. Also look at the reasons given for abortion.

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Far from evil doctors cutting up viable fetuses in the vast majority of cases they are extracting primitive non viable collection of cells.

Pro lifers don't want to have any reasonable solution. Abortion is murder to them. End of story. No matter how primitive the fetus, no matter whether it is viable, no matter whether the mother was a victim of rape/incest abortion is murder. They are idiots nothing more.

The pro choice way is superior because it gives people a CHOICE. Nobody should rejoice at an abortion but it is a necessary evil given human nature.

Going back to his image. He alleges that the fetus pictured was 24 weeks old. Well guess what, only 1.1% of fetuses are aborted past 21 weeks. That is a hell of a representative sample.
 
Quote from IShopAtPublix:

Stop arguing with idiot dr. jerkulus. he is a mental midget in over his head who has no idea how limited his mental capacity is.


Thats why you posted bogus statements about what Roe V. Wade allowed or didn't allow. Your reading comprehension skills are sub-par and your data analysis skills are even more suspect. Based on these handicaps I would venture to guess that your profit/loss is not pretty.

Enough about that. Stay on topic.

More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time is the point. Your whole defense was that the poll must be bogus.

Yeah, Gallup is some fly-by night group of pollsters. Great analysis.
 
Quote from IShopAtPublix:

The pro choice way is superior because it gives people a CHOICE. Nobody should rejoice at an abortion but it is a necessary evil given human nature.


Then what would be your position on the proposed Obama position that would take away Physician choice whether to perform abortions or not ? I assume you would support a doctor's right to choose.
 
Quote from drjekyllus:

Ummm bible? what are you talking about?

We have more rational debate from this genius.

Rational debate with you ? LOL
Dear bible boy, you are not fooling anyone as it is very clear where you coming from and what is your goal. Organized religions were that way for a while so it is kind of easy to see through your tactics

Unfortunately I had to converse on your level of reasoning but it worked.
 
Quote from Barth Vader:

Then what would be your position on the proposed Obama position that would take away Physician choice whether to perform abortions or not ? I assume you would support a doctor's right to choose.


reason doesn't work with these evil pricks .... every argument ends the same way
 
Quote from Barth Vader:

Then what would be your position on the proposed Obama position that would take away Physician choice whether to perform abortions or not ? I assume you would support a doctor's right to choose.

Should not this be obvious? Let's try the socratic method on you. Do you think it would be right for a firefighter to not go put out fire at a convicted felon's house? Should a policeman intervene if he sees a prostitute getting assaulted?

Medicine is a special profession. It emphasizes SERVICE. You do no harm(I realize religious nutcases on ET will grab on to this phrase and think it applies to a collection of cells but it does not). If you allow doctors to pick and choose to do whatever the hell they want, it becomes the end of the profession. There is no place for "conscientious objectors" in medicine.

If you go into branch of medicine that conceivably could call upon you to perform abortions (I assume it would be OB/GYN or something related) you should make damn sure you are ready for that possibility. There are many doctors who are not qualified to perform abortions even if they wanted to.

I always get angry at idiot pharmacists (usually in fly over states) who refuse to dispense legal birth control medicine "for personal" reasons. Those fools should have their license revoked immediately.
 
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