Moral choices of the government (poll)

[Turveyd]

Wake the fuck up. This is the biggest life-killer of our generation. STAY HOME , don't be like those now-infected Florida spring break fucktards

Pretty sure that's still Cancer, affecting 50% and killing 25% of us.

Maybe we should stay home to fight cancer to ??

 

[KCalhoun]

Look at South Korea vs Italy

Lockdowns combined with extensive testing plus quickly building hospitals worked great in SK.

Undisciplined late nonstandard reactive bullshit in the USA will cause lots of needless deaths

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-24-20-intl-hnk/index.html

 

[Turveyd]

Look at South Korea vs Italy

Lockdowns combined with extensive testing plus quickly building hospitals worked great in SK.

Undisciplined late nonstandard reactive bullshit in the USA will cause lots of needless deaths

In Day #1 of my first lockdown, going to say not a fan, I think there are lesser steps that could of kept everyone that worked working while looking after the at risk likely better with less of there life wasted locked down time wise.

We all have to get it, sooner or later, lockdown = much later so therefore at risk need to be locked down longer, many will die alone never going out or having fun again, lifes to short for that.

 

[Pekelo]

Undisciplined late nonstandard reactive bullshit in the USA will cause lots of needless deaths

That is true, but when was the last time the US government cared about the people? The whole Western world have universal healthcare, but for some reason it wouldn't work in the USA. Or so we are told...

By the way right now Trump in the Rose Garden interview is just making the point of "we should take the hit."

 

[ElCubano]

Look at South Korea vs Italy

Lockdowns combined with extensive testing plus quickly building hospitals worked great in SK.

Undisciplined late nonstandard reactive bullshit in the USA will cause lots of needless deaths

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-24-20-intl-hnk/index.html

I am not condoning anyone dies and hope the least amount of people suffer. That’s what the debate is, what’s the path at the moment we are in for least death/damage. Our time to do the above may be behind us. Next steps we take are very crucial, what’s the best path with the current TODAY situation? Keeping in mind that what one culture/country can accomplish at the drop of a dime other might not be able to. Half the people are in quarantine, the other half at the beach, some old people don’t care some young people don’t either. We are 300mill it’s all around tough.

 

[Pekelo]

Cuomo asked for 20K ventilators that the Feds have, until NYC passes the apex. (After that they would send them to the next city.) They are sending them 400.

I guess the government clearly made its choice. After all most New Yorkers are Democrats.

 

[Specterx]

It is not realistic, otherwise the government would have come up with this already. You can't isolate a nursing home from its workers or grandma living with her children.

Governments reacted out of panic and didn't have sufficient PPE stocks available - nor was there any treatment which seemed to work.

It seems clear that the best option is isolation of vulnerable populations, strict use of PPE for persons in regular contact with such populations, and common sense precautions for everyone else (wash your hands, stay home if sick, etc.). If you contract the virus and have severe symptoms, you get treated with the small but growing list of drugs which seem to have some effectiveness.

The course we're on now doesn't have any endpoint. Completely eradicating such an easily-transmitted disease (now that it's already spreading) seems entirely unrealistic, unless we test everyone in the country every few days. We could keep everything shut down for months or years with cases continuing to pop up at a slow boil. Obviously, cases will surge again every time you try to relax the lockdowns. Some other approach will need to be found, and quickly.

 

[Turveyd]

Governments reacted out of panic and didn't have sufficient PPE stocks available - nor was there any treatment which seemed to work.

It seems clear that the best option is isolation of vulnerable populations, strict use of PPE for persons in regular contact with such populations, and common sense precautions for everyone else (wash your hands, stay home if sick, etc.). If you contract the virus and have severe symptoms, you get treated with the small but growing list of drugs which seem to have some effectiveness.

The course we're on now doesn't have any endpoint. Completely eradicating such an easily-transmitted disease (now that it's already spreading) seems entirely unrealistic, unless we test everyone in the country every few days. We could keep everything shut down for months or years with cases continuing to pop up at a slow boil. Obviously, cases will surge again every time you try to relax the lockdowns. Some other approach will need to be found, and quickly.

We are ALL going to get it, just High risk later preferably, unless your on the ISS there is no hiding from this maybe north pole research centre. You can't erridicate it, it'll come back, have it, suffer for a few days, be immune to it ( might cause death ), just slow it's spread to help the health care.

 

[Specterx]

I can't believe it's even a debate.

HUMAN LIFE IS WAY FUCKING MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE ECONOMY.

That's the only time in 14 years here I've shouted all caps.

Anybody who values people working, infecting and killing our treasured seniors is a fucking psychopath, period. Mortality rates in NYC are skyrocketing among 18-65 year olds, too, it kills all ages

Wake the fuck up. This is the biggest life-killer of our generation. STAY HOME , don't be like those now-infected Florida spring break fucktards

Human life does not have an infinite value. Many fields (engineering/construction projects, transportation safety, public policy, health care...) routinely require tradeoffs be made between cost and safety, or between saving one life vs another - and for this you have to assign a value.

If the prospective cost of the lockdowns exceeds the total value of the likely death toll, then the lockdowns are irrational. Considering that most (perhaps the vast majority) of the dead are elderly who would have died in a few years anyway, the lockdowns might well be far more costly than the epidemic.

 

[Pekelo]

Some other approach will need to be found, and quickly.

It could and will be a combination of:

--using other drugs not made against the virus
--vaccine fast tracked in record time
--cases apexing while not reaching the number of ventilators, or at least not surpassing them by a huge number
--more ventilators made and existing ones modified for more patients
--quarantine going on and off, depending on the local hospital situation
--introducing some kind of health ID for people who already had the virus. Tattoo anyone?

I think in 7-10 days they will relax the quarantine even if they have to put it back 2 weeks later.