Money Managing streaks

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ChrisM

"The worse case is that all trades , winners or losers,ARE RANDOM.If that's
the case ,there is no difference between starting after a positive or
negative streak [...] The big question is if the system will continue
working.I've done tons of research on that and have not found anything that
predicts if a system or approach will continue to make money"

/R. Vince/

Agree, however:
What if I`ve done tons of research as well and while there is no indication whether the system will continue to work, I`ve found in many cases that actually it is important whether you increase position after negative or positive streak.
I know also by my own experience that many system traders start trading new strategies after losing series. Are they wrong ?
Is this just psychology behind it or something else ?
 
I think that if you have a good system, then you can evolve or tune the system after a losing streak, but to scrap it completely and start a new system is a little radical.

In fact, I think that any good system needs to be in an almost continuous state of tuning to the current market conditions.
 
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I think that if you have a good system, then you can evolve or tune the system after a losing streak, but to scrap it completely and start a new system is a little radical.

In fact, I think that any good system needs to be in an almost continuous state of tuning to the current market conditions.
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richtrader,

absolutely right, how about sizing ? I know many traders increase their positions after losing trades corresponding with average losers of the backtested system.
 
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richtrader,

absolutely right, how about sizing ? I know many traders increase their positions after losing trades corresponding with average losers of the backtested system.
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That is the big question. I've seen different approaches and people contradicting one another with regard to this.

My approach is a volatility based position size which I do my best not to vary based on losing streaks, etc. Taking bigger positions after losing streaks is a quicker way to ruin if the streak keeps going, which it can as we've all seen in this market environment.

But I am very interested in money management and optimization, and I don't think I'm trading optimally yet in this regard. I am particularly looking forward to this book when it comes out:

Money Management Book
 
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That is the big question. I've seen different approaches and people contradicting one another with regard to this.

My approach is a volatility based position size which I do my best not to vary based on losing streaks, etc. Taking bigger positions after losing streaks is a quicker way to ruin if the streak keeps going, which it can as we've all seen in this market environment.

But I am very interested in money management and optimization, and I don't think I'm trading optimally yet in this regard. I am particularly looking forward to this book when it comes out:

Money Management Book
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Looks good to me. BTW can I ask about your opinion on Mr. Van Tharp`s "Trading Your Way etc ..." ?
 
The only reason to wait for losing trades before starting a system is if there is a negative serial autocorrelation. If there isn't, what's the point? If you don't know, check it!
 
This might be more evident in a pullback to MA type of system, where the losing trade will usually be the last pullback (fake) of a dying trend , where it then fails and starts a new trend.

By this logic, your next entry would be the first pullback of the new trend... which is normally successful.
 
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