Money Management

Quote from Runningbear:

Any more than about 3.2% risk per trade and the you're heading for a wipe out.

The 2% rule isn't just a figure pulled out of thin air. It's a time proven figure to give you maximum chance of survival. Any more and you're really showing disrigard for the laws of probability

Runningbear


How did the 3.2% figure come about?
 
As a general rule, your trading systems should be able to survive about 8 consecutive losses, or 8 accumulated losses.

Given that most traders work to a maximum drawdown of 25% on equity, 3% to 3.2% is about the max you can risk on a trade.

Remember if you lose 25% you have to make back 34% to be back at your original equity size.

34% is about a year's gains for a decent trader, and who would want a 12 month non profit period. That's why your max DD should never exceed 25%.

If you lost 5% 19 times straight, you'd be trading with 5% of your original capital so it you would need a 1900% return on capital to just to get back to your orignial stake. Good Luck!

Anyone that is prepared to risk more than 25% of their trading capital is an idiot, trying to convince himself otherwise.

Runningbear
 
Quote from SProbability:



what i would like to know - is if anyone here has (or knows somebody else who has) gone broke risking 5%.

my instinct tells me that with a positive expectancy system, 5% is a reasonable amount to risk. but i would like to know if i am being naive.

thanks guys & gals. u r a g8 bunch!!!

SProbability,

Trust me, most people that have gone broke have done so risking 5% per trade.

Runningbear
 
For the people risking below 1%, what kind of % profit targets do you have per month / year? How do you break it down on a per trade basis?

Say for example on a 100000 account..

Thanks,

Loukas
 
By the way, here's an interesting excerpt from the book "Street Smarts" by Linda Raschke. It basically says that a very good indication of what makes a trader succesful, is how soon they recover from their worse drawdown. Which definately has to do with money management, and risking a small amount of your money on each trade.

Loukas

PS:
By the way, this is one of the best books I've read on trading. Its price is steep, but it's worth EVERY CENT!

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From the book "Street Smarts", by LBR and LC

A question that is often asked by anyone aspiring to be a trader is: What makes a trader successful?
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The lesson from these results is clear: successful traders have a larger edge and much better money management than unsuccessful traders.
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If 1 had to explain success with only one variable, the one that predicted success or failure most accurately was the amount of time a program spent recovering from its worst drawdown as a percentage of its life.


Two of the most important components of successful trading are the edge of a system and sound money management. This study confirms this notion. Successful traders have a larger edge and better money management than unsuccessful traders. Unlike popular belief however, this study shows that the smaller edge of unsuccessful traders is not the cause of their failure. Traders failure can be explained almost exclusively by their poor money management practices.
 
Quote from Loukas:

By the way, here's an interesting excerpt from the book "Street Smarts" by Linda Raschke. It basically says that a very good indication of what makes a trader succesful, is how soon they recover from their worse drawdown. Which definately has to do with money management, and risking a small amount of your money on each trade.

If you want the whole chapter, I can post it (I happen to have it in Word format).


I would strongly suggest that the next time you post material from an author, you obtain their permission. Otherwise you are likely to be talking with their attorney regarding violation of their copyright.

You may think I am making a joke. I'm not.
 
If you have an avreage long term net per month of 6 % without money management you do not need to start money management.

Any iterative refinements that are added that improve your profits also move you further away from money management requirements.
 
Lindq, you are right. I was only just trying to add some helpful info to the conversation.

I edited the original post, leaving only what's necessary. Not because I'm worried for a lawsuit, but rather out of respect for a writer and trader (LBR) I greatly admire.

Loukas
 
Quote from Grob109:

If you have an avreage long term net per month of 6 % without money management you do not need to start money management.

Any iterative refinements that are added that improve your profits also move you further away from money management requirements.

Do you mind going into more detail?

Many thanks.
 
Quote from lindq:



I would strongly suggest that the next time you post material from an author, you obtain their permission. Otherwise you are likely to be talking with their attorney regarding violation of their copyright.

You may think I am making a joke. I'm not.


Baloney...where do you think she got her ideas? From other
books!

Nothing she said is original. It's been rehashed over and over for years.
 
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