modify an exising automated trading package or build a new one ?

[mrtwo]

Quote from francis1:

MrTwo:

Could you give more details on why Server2003 is better than XP? I'm not familiar with Server2003.

Thanks,

Francis

Hey Francis,

Windows 2003 Server and Windows XP are very similar operating systems. The only differences worth to mention for the scope of this discussion are:

1. Security - Windows 2003 have a bigger emphasis on security than Windows XP has.

2. The TCP/IP stack. The Windows XP network stack has been 'limited' in many ways to keep people from using it as a server. Evil huh?

3. License requirements. Some high-performance computing features are only avaiable for Windows 2003.

 

[dcraig]

Quote from ecoscien:

Thanks, Mrtwo, and thanks everyone for your inputs, minors the fight.



That is a good idea.

Now I heard the advantages of Windows from mrtwo, and would like to hear the concrete advantages of the other operating systems too.

No need to argue with each other, we all choose our systems because of our unique needs.

I heard that most of the big firms and hedge funds tend to use either Unix or Linux as operating systems for trading algos. I imagine the reason must be technical and not emotional.

I know that Windows have the ease to use. What would be the technical advantages of the other two systems specifically?

I am completely neutral, just want to make an informed decision. Also, will it be very costly to switch operating system later on?

Thanks, everyone.

Eric Raymond's "The Art of Unix Programming" is worth reading. It is more a discussion of the 'culture' of Unix than Unix programming as such and should give some insight into the real differences with the Windows world.

Available free at

http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/

 

[mrtwo]

Quote from maxpi:

I think it is easier to design a trading system that does not do much computation nor needs super computing power and run it with off the shelf software and a computer from Best Buy than it is to design and implement a superior trading environment.

You know what, I believe you are *very* right!

Overdesign is the #1 slayer of good ideas

 

[nononsense]

Quote from maxpi:

nononsense on ignore list =happiness. I've been happy for months in that regard.

if it makes hou happy, be my guest!

 

[nononsense]

Quote from mrtwo:

And if you were a smart, educated human being you would be more polite when talking people you don't even know.

If you are not articulated enough or mature enough to keep your cool during a discussion, what can you do?

You must be one of these forum warriors. I cant see any other explanation for your behavior. Like, what are you even trying to accomplish here?

Nevermind, I dont even know why I bother.

You are a truly immature kid with an ego of a overgrown wise guy.
In my corrective reply, I simply repaid you in kind.

 

[dcraig]

I'm sorry, but it still sounds like a sales pitch to me.

Quote from mrtwo:


Nonetheless, I must say if I had to start a high-budget project today, I would probably work with HP-UX or even AIX instead of Windows. When you have deep pockets the 'time-to-market' pressure is much lower and you treat yourself with a non-compromise setup.

Key word "deep pockets' linked to Unix. Truth is Linux is free, the BSD's are free and you can now have Solaris for free also. And development tools, databases, Office Software and many. many other things for free.

As far as I know, you are running a one-man-show, am I right? And if that is the case, the Windows platform can give you the leverage you need to be done in 6 weeks, not in 6 months. Now, are you compromising anything? Of course you are. Now you are 'trapped' but remember: it is all about intent. Will you really have to port your trading system? Why?

The 'you're a small guy, I'm on your side' pitch

Oh come on. Regardless of whether VS 2005 is or is not the best IDE around, 6 weeks to 6 months comparison is ridiculous. Are we to believe that by the single stroke of releasing VS 2005 MS has advanced the art of software engineering by that much ?

And the clincher. The financial carrot -

When the money start piling up in your account the last thing you will think about will be that you should port your system

 

[nononsense]

Quote from dcraig:

I'm sorry, but it still sounds like a sales pitch to me.



Key word "deep pockts' linked to Unix. Truth is Linux is free, the BSD's are free and you can now have Solaris for free also. And development tools, databases, Office Software and many. many other things for free.



The 'you're a small guy, I'm on your side' pitch

Oh come on. Regardless of whether VS 2005 is or is not the best IDE around, 6 weeks to 6 months comparison is ridiculous. Are we to believe that by the single stroke of releasing VS 2005 MS has advanced the art of software engineering by that much ?

And the clincher. The financial carrot -

Hi Craig,
He certainly must have been a toddler at the time M$ was nervously hopscotching from one 'great' thing to the other. You remember those VS4, VS5, VS6 standards of excellence? Remember MFC? Later we got that splendid rose lined migration path to still even 'greater' tools.


Talking about the Art of Software Engineering. Look at Borland over this time stretch. They made M$ nervously scramble for some kind of clone of their environment. Right now, Borlands' C/C++ compilers are still among the top, possibly 'the' top. You keep on stumbling on warnings about NOT compiling apps for win32 using MSVC compilers. Borland, among others, is always with the 'good' list.

Compare Guido Van Rossum's or Yukihiro Matsumoto's contributions to that of the C# & .NET circus. Further, somebody will still have to write a bookie about C# rivaling 30 years from now with the still revered reprints of "The C Programming Language". Talking about "deep pockets", a guy with such kind of pockets in Redmond ought perhaps try to "buy" themselves a fellow like Guido or Yukihiro and make him the dictator of that place. Unfortunately, these guys may prefer not to get stuck in that goo.

 

[mrtwo]

I'm sorry, but it still sounds like a sales pitch to me.

Well, it would be if Microsoft was paying me to be here

Now, that is soooo funny. A pro-Linux person has 'opinion' and a pro-Windows person has 'sales pitch'?

That sounds like some serious bias to me

Key word "deep pockets' linked to Unix. Truth is Linux is free, the BSD's are free and you can now have Solaris for free also. And development tools, databases, Office Software and many. many other things for free.

Oh, I am talking UNIX, not Linux. It isnt like you can really have a cheap Solaris or HP-UX setup. The fact that Solaris is free doesnt make Sun hardware any cheaper, does it? One big benefit of using Unix is the access to a caliber of hardware that isnt available to Windows.

Taking the hardware out of the equation makes even harder to justify an anti-microsoft posture.

Oh come on. Regardless of whether VS 2005 is or is not the best IDE around, 6 weeks to 6 months comparison is ridiculous. Are we to believe that by the single stroke of releasing VS 2005 MS has advanced the art of software engineering by that much ?

Why dont you try it decide it for yourself?

It is very 'healthy' to be well-versed in all different platforms. I am currently using Windows but I have tested and tried everything that comes out for Linux.

Its a good thing.

 

[mrtwo]

Oh my, you are such a trouble maker!

Are you able to share your opinion like an adult? Either you are really young or really immature...

Why are you so eager to create conflict?

Quote from nononsense:

Hi Craig,
He certainly must have been a toddler at the time M$ was nervously hopscotching from one 'great' thing to the other. You remember those VS4, VS5, VS6 standards of excellence? Remember MFC? Later we got that splendid rose lined migration path to still even 'greater' tools.


Talking about the Art of Software Engineering. Look at Borland over this time stretch. They made M$ nervously scramble for some kind of clone of their environment. Right now, Borlands' C/C++ compilers are still among the top, possibly 'the' top. You keep on stumbling on warnings about NOT compiling apps for win32 using MSVC compilers. Borland, among others, is always with the 'good' list.

Compare Guido Van Rossum's or Yukihiro Matsumoto's contributions to that of the C# & .NET circus. Further, somebody will still have to write a bookie about C# rivaling 30 years from now with the still revered reprints of "The C Programming Language". Talking about "deep pockets", a guy with such kind of pockets in Redmond ought perhaps try to "buy" themselves a fellow like Guido or Yukihiro and make him the dictator of that place. Unfortunately, these guys may prefer not to get stuck in that goo.

 

[mrtwo]

Quote from nononsense:

if it makes hou happy, be my guest!

Now, that is something we wouldnt hear from a mature human being

Nononsense = trouble maker / forum warrior