Moderation in All Things?

Quote from NihabaAshi:

Your words no longer have any credibility due to your prior efforts that contained several lies and many inaccurate assumptions.

Simply, you have made it to the following link...

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=64932

Feels good to wash the dirt off the windows. :cool:

Self-Banned from posting any useful trading related content at ET.

Mark
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Nah, you're the lier.

Simply, you failed at your message board, and now you're trying to destroy Baron's.

Lier -lier pants on fire...
 
Mark and Chuck - Please keep your argument between yourselves and out of my thread. It doesn't belong here.

Thanks,
Harold
 
Quote from hcour:

...So, again, where would you, if you were a mod, draw the line? It ain't as easy as you think.

Harold
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Harold,

Agree, it ain't easy nor will it be easy.

Yet, a line needs to be drawn via using the information from Baron's own Conduct Rules policy.

http://www.elitetrader.com/conduct_rules.cfm

Also, I've talked to a few of ET advertisers and sponsors in the recent past because some are members of ET and members elsewhere at other forums.

They notice the junk too and are a little concerned but not to the point where they have completely gone elsewhere because they are still here.

However, I'm also noticing them advertising at other online locations (e.g. smaller forums, popular blogs, well moderated chat rooms et cetera).

Places I hadn't seen them advertise at in the past.

Could they be starting to draw their own line or do they have that much more money to spend on advertising. :confused:

On a different not from the advertising issue...I still remember when I first joined ET after 911.

The first month alone I got about 7 private messages (hate mail) by a few popular ET members and a few seldom posters telling me to get lost (I'm not going to repeat their exact racist words although I still have the pms and emails)....

They thought I was Muslim via my choice of the user name NihabaAshi.

Two members went as far as to locate me at another forum and started harassing me via pm and they made it clear not to return to ET. :D

That crap slowed over the years but only after many found out I was not Muslim...

Along with finding out that I'm a former Army Ranger that selected the name NihabaAshi because its a Japanese Candlestick and Martial Arts term.

Yet, I still get a message once in a full moon by another ET member curious if I am Muslim. :mad:

A line needs to be drawn...crap not tolerated even though the same individuals will just change their user ID's to repackage the same racist crap.

Note: A few times I contacted Baron directly in the past about two members concerning racist remarks...

He did ban them immediately along with deleting their messages from the open forum.

Quote from hcour:

Mark and Chuck - Please keep your argument between yourselves and out of my thread. It doesn't belong here.

Thanks,
Harold
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Noted and I've already ended it...carry on.

Mark
 
Quote from NihabaAshi:

They thought I was Muslim via my choice of the user name NihabaAshi.
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That is the funniest thing I've read today. You shoulda told them about the Great One True Prophet Ashi and how he earned his title of Nihaba. And his nemesis, the Irish Muslim Paddy O'Furniture.

I suppose it's better than thinking the name is German. But not much.
 
Quote from hcour:

...I think it is very difficult to moderate a board, much more so than it might seem. I belong to The Motley Fool site and their discussion boards are heavily moderated. There are constant complaints and discussions regarding TMF going too far or not going far enough; of censorship, favoritism, inconsistency, ineptitude... In fact there are 2 whole boards devoted to this topic alone and they are very busy. So a strictly-moderated site like TMF generates <b>just as much controversy on the subject</b> as a less-moderated site like ET...

Harold
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Harold,

The issue is not just how a board is moderated (strict or less strict) after someone joins...

There's the issue of selection prior to allowing someone walk through the door and the issue of putting a face on members as they walk through that door.

To some...being anonymous empowers them to do whatever they want.

Simply, there is no selection/screening process and I think ET can benefit from having such in place prior to allowing someone walk through that door...

Prior to the very first message.

Yet, reality is that ET is a revenue source for Baron and for his advertisers/sponsers.

Until that flow of revenue is changed dramatically...

There's no incentive for Baron to fix things unless he determines it will in fact increase his revenue.

Mark
 
Quote from bobloblaw:

Baron has never been too quick to deal with racist posts (if at all) says a lot about the guy
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To me the question of keeping racist posts off the site in general is a separate one from the Publisher problem. In this case, Baron made a promise to keep him off the boards. The next day, he had 9 threads up in P & R and was page-botting them to beat the band. The oldest ones were 16 hours old when I came across them. Were the mods not informed? Were there no mods around for that 16-hour stretch? This may be and if so, it would be nice if Baron could say so.

After Baron's promise, the next 48 hours saw Publisher work unimpeded under his newest aliases.
 
Quote from traderNik:

To me the question of keeping racist posts off the site in general is a separate one from the Publisher problem. In this case, Baron made a promise to keep him off the boards. The next day, he had 9 threads up in P & R and was page-botting them to beat the band. The oldest ones were 16 hours old when I came across them. Were the mods not informed? Were there no mods around for that 16-hour stretch? This may be and if so, it would be nice if Baron could say so.

After Baron's promise, the next 48 hours saw Publisher work unimpeded under his newest aliases.
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Not talking shit but that one guy from leveragefx or whatever posted gay porn on the trading forum and it stayed up overnight even after multiple complaints.

I think it's a matter of just not having coverage at certain times, as it got removed promptly in the a.m.
 
Quote from TGregg:

That is the funniest thing I've read today. You shoulda told them about the Great One True Prophet Ashi and how he earned his title of Nihaba. And his nemesis, the Irish Muslim Paddy O'Furniture.

I suppose it's better than thinking the name is German. But not much.
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LOL They must've not spent too much time around Muslims, NihabaAshi doesn't even sound Muslim to me...

But I do admire those peoples' patriotism for sending those emails. God bless 'em.

I think that shit's hardcore and I respect it, although in this case it was a little misdirected.
 
Quote from Reaver:

LOL They must've not spent too much time around Muslims, NihabaAshi doesn't even sound Muslim to me...

But I do admire those peoples' patriotism for sending those emails. God bless 'em.

I think that shit's hardcore and I respect it, although in this case it was a little misdirected.
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I myself don't approve nor respect any racist contacting ET members via pm nor email to vomit their crap based upon a user name someone selected and nothing else.

That's not only an ignorant racist but the type of racist that gives patriotism an ugly word and is an abuse of freedom of speech along with an abuse of Baron's Code of Conduct rules.

In fact, it's also criminal conduct in about 40 states of the U.S. and all of Canada once they start contacting folks by emails or pms and there are cases of people being prosecuted and convicted for such crimes although I'm not aware of any at ET member being convicted of such type of hate crime.

I guess the racists haven't sent their vomit via email or pm to an ET member that's a lawyer or to someone that has the resources or knows how to use the legal system to quickly give Baron restless nights.

Yet, most well known cases involves students at private universities being arrested, expelled and kicked out of school for using University property (campus computer or campus internet connection) to send racist hate mail via email, private message or forums to other students.

Back to patriotism, I've seen a few of the types in the military and folks on base had hardcore ways of showing the racists what happens when they hide under patriotism. :cool:

As I mention to hcour before and back on topic...

The issue isn't solely just moderators, it's also the registration process in that it lacks putting a face on those that register at ET.

This allows for racists, spammers, shills, trolls, stalkers and other problematic members to easily reinvent themselves after they were given a kick out the back door where the trash is put.

It's amazing how folks behave themselves or go elsewhere when you take the hoods off their heads sort'uv speak to reveal their identity because you now have a way to hold them accountable for their actions.

Quote from bobloblaw:

Baron has never been too quick to deal with racist posts (if at all) says a lot about the guy
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He has for me every time I contacted him directly (I didn't use feedback thread) about such after I pointed him directly to the offending comments.

That tells me a lot about him.

Yet, his registration process needs serious updating to deal with folks like that.

Good morning all.

Mark
Self-Banned from posting any useful trading related content at ET.
 
Yes Mark

I agree about the registration process.

and of course you are aware that your last quote was from the resident troll here at ET (Trader28).

and finally I am also boycotting the site. No content from me until things change...Simple..



Steve
 
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