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Mitt Romney won't rule out the possibility of a VAT Tax
- Thread starter achilles28
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Precisely... Point is that the electorate is ultimately responsible for both the numerator and the denominator. If the citizenry elects representatives that are not capable of cutting spending, the citizenry must pay for their failure through higher taxes. Isn't that ultimately what democracy is all about? Again, something that the Irish have been recently demonstrating.Quote from Ricter:
Well, if we can't cut the numerator, then I suppose we better grow the denominator.
Huh? Who got you into the mess then? Did the politicians elect themselves? Who should be responsible for the errors/sins of your elected officials, if not the people who voted for them?Quote from BSAM:
The people didn't get us into the mess we are in, so why do the people, once again, have to bail out the D.C. thugs; till next time?
Quote from 377OHMS:
Democracy is proving incapable of cutting spending once it is institutionalized. The government simply cannot or will not reduce spending.
California is a decent example. Everyone is aware of the large and unreasonable pension benefits afforded to state employees yet instead of making *any* attempt to reduce that spending Gov. Brown is asking for billions in new tax revenue.
Labor Unions are at the root of the problem. This country should make organized labor illegal.
Ricter, there's you're answer. Much of Europe is a stones throw from Greece, for the same reasons California is. We can't continue down this road.
+100Quote from DAS Trader:
It's not the government per se, its the people we elect. We have true conservatives and we have the people you support. We need to get rid of the people you support and populate our legislative halls with people like Ron Paul, who advocate for a Constitutionally limited federal government that won't tax us to death and won't run up 15 trillion dollar deficits while depleting the ss trust fund.
Money is also an issue but when less than 40% of the population votes that's the much bigger issue.
Quote from Martinghoul:
...Huh? Who got you into the mess then? Did the politicians elect themselves? Who should be responsible for the errors/sins of your elected officials, if not the people who voted for them?
Huh, my ass.
You think the D.C. thugs are doing what the people who voted for them want them to do?
Have you checked the approval ratings of Congress lately?
These "elected officials" are not doing the will of the people.
Well, don't vote for them next time, recall them, impeach them, whatever... Failing that (let's say you're a minority) and provided you're that unhappy, renounce your citizenship and find a better place to live. If you're not sufficiently unhappy to leave, quit your whining and just grin and bear it. That, in my limited understanding, is how "democracy" is supposed to work.Quote from BSAM:
Huh, my ass.
You think the D.C. thugs are doing what the people who voted for them want them to do?
Have you checked the approval ratings of Congress lately?
These "elected officials" are not doing the will of the people.
+10 you beat me to it.
Quote from Martinghoul:
Huh? Who got you into the mess then? Did the politicians elect themselves? Who should be responsible for the errors/sins of your elected officials, if not the people who voted for them?
Quote from Martinghoul:
Well, don't vote for them next time, recall them, impeach them, whatever... Failing that (let's say you're a minority) and provided you're that unhappy, renounce your citizenship and find a better place to live. If you're not sufficiently unhappy to leave, quit your whining and just grin and bear it. That, in my limited understanding, is how "democracy" is supposed to work.
Quote from Martinghoul:
Well, don't vote for them next time, recall them, impeach them, whatever... Failing that (let's say you're a minority) and provided you're that unhappy, renounce your citizenship and find a better place to live. If you're not sufficiently unhappy to leave, quit your whining and just grin and bear it. That, in my limited understanding, is how "democracy" is supposed to work.
Hey, I'd say we see some things quite differently.
Ultimately you're right, but for a different reason than "it's spending". Mankind is above Earth's carrying capacity, and the effects of this are being transmitted through various channels, the cost of doing business, hyper-competition and stratification, the rising difficulty of earning a living wage, rising prices, etc. I have not fleshed out this system, it's still barely above the level of intuition, so don't "gotcha" me, please.Quote from achilles28:
Ricter, there's you're answer. Much of Europe is a stones throw from Greece, for the same reasons California is. We can't continue down this road.