MIT's Tech Review: "The Blowup" / quants

Quote from QuantPlus:

This gets to the heart of the matter.

Ultimately...
All quant analysis starts...
With UNDERSTANDING what is random... and what is non-random in the market...
And then building systems to exploit non-random market inefficiencies.

Taleb's title "Fooled by Randomness" is brilliant...
Because 99.9% of ordinary people do not understand the subtleties of market behavior...
And 90% of ET "traders" are exactly equivalent to coin-flipping monkeys.

The quants that get crushed often get this mostly right...
But where they get hurt...
Is BLINDLY ASSUMING that short to medium term historical relationships...
Will hold in the extreme markets that happen every 2-3 years.

They do not...
Because every once in a while...
You have semi-permanent "asset class valuation" re-alignments.

For example, since early summer...
Investment Grade US Corporate Bonds have diverged from US Govt bonds by about 10%...
Investment Grade REIT paper has diverged from US Govt bonds by about 15-20%...
And NOT reverted to "historical mean" at all.

All Investment Grade here... not even talking about Junk.

Zillions of inexperienced quants...
Have been working overtime...
Pairing up stuff across these asset classes...
(Because 90% of the time the correlations are VERY high).

But is an "asset class valuation" re-alignment like 2007...
A 10% divergence is enough to blow up a few hedge funds...
And for the whole industry to take a big hit.

10 years of experience is the key...
Because if you've seen this movie 5 or 6 times...
You will not step on the same landmines over and over.

uh yea what he said ;) no really i think you answered the question which was meant for me - your explanation was far better than the one i would have taken the time to give. i appreciate your response and it's clear you know what's going on and have a deep understanding many lack.

mb
 
I do trade off of statistical stuff, including correlations, but I've been doing it for a real long time, and I know what the weaknesses are, as elaborated partially by QuantPlus.
But what really gets these guys is that both in 1998 and just before this recent blowup, volatility was low. If you think of this in terms of Bollinger Bands, which are based on deviations off the trend, the bands just prior to either of these events from a longer-term POV were narrow. Which means that it would take less price movement than otherwise to get outside of "normal", statistically defined as two deviations away from the trend.
So, you get a price movement that's far out of "normal", but as defined only by recent data. If you trade based on that, you have to be aware that what looks "normal" currently, may not be. You can't categorically decide that it isn't, but you equally can't just glibly assume that it is. And that, I think, is where they go wrong.
 
Quote from trefoil:If you think of this in terms of Bollinger Bands, which are based on deviations off the trend, the bands just prior to either of these events from a longer-term POV were narrow. Which means that it would take less price movement than otherwise to get outside of "normal", statistically defined as two deviations away from the trend.
So, you get a price movement that's far out of "normal", but as defined only by recent data. If you trade based on that, you have to be aware that what looks "normal" currently, may not be. You can't categorically decide that it isn't, but you equally can't just glibly assume that it is. And that, I think, is where they go wrong.

smarter trading - kaufman tackes this very problem and supplies an answer in which he excludes the anomaly which causes the out of normal, from the future calculation. the indicator resets itself.

percentages are really something that these quants should study. mb
 
Quote from QuantPlus:

This gets to the heart of the matter.

Ultimately...
All quant analysis starts...
With UNDERSTANDING what is random... and what is non-random in the market...
And then building systems to exploit non-random market inefficiencies.


Hey, RedManPlus+, how is your poker bot coming?
 
Seems like this dilemma transcends trading.

The Colorado River is central to civic planning/growth management planning for Las Vegas - Since the Colorado provides much if not all of the water for Vegas.

There are rumors that when they looked at how much water the Colorado could provide to Las Vegas, they looked at 50 years of data. Since then, with the advancements in science, they have been able to get a feel for the highs and lows of water supply from the Colorado going back well beyond 50 years. There are rumors that some geologists feel the 50 year period used for the study was a period of abnormally high water supply.

So, it is the same thing - using the wrong "normal."

I hope the rumor is wrong - I dig Vegas.
 
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